It should be pay-per-view.

But I'm done. :)

Now you can't tell the difference between understood and agreed.

semantics

Great, post your source....


Yep, all related to an increase in illegals breaking the law by the very fact they are here. Increased budget appropriations for the border war occurred years before your Socialist came to office...

Why yes you are! and you failed again! Well done Demoncratic Shrill!!!!!!!:3eye:

Always happy to provide a source, despite the fact that you rarely if ever respond in kind, when requested. Instead, you demand that others asking you for a source must "prove you wrong"

Just saying :)

How about sworn testimony of the Deputy Commissioner of Social Security:

The suspense file has continued to grow since this testimony four ago....at a higher rate than the $7 billion/year

Testimony is not a factual statistic, sorry fail again Demoncratic Shrill....

Testimony?

To further clarify, it is my understanding that governnment data is not accceptable to either of you as well, since you view such data as "propoganda, biased or unreliable"....unless, of course, that government data supports your position, in which case it is acceptable.

:rolleyes:

It's getting harder and harder for anyone to believe it is "just coincidental." It has been the uniform experience of each and every state that has liberalized concealed carry of weapons (CCW for short).

(And the one reason Spexxvet can survive while hysterically not packing heat is because others can do it for him, and in his place.)

Now you are just being an "argumentative asshole" if I could use your words.

Of course, there is a cost to AZ directly related to illegal immigrants. I have never suggested otherwise. I did say, IMO, the cost reported from some sources is over-inflated and that it is factually incorrect to say that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes.

I have provided data that crime is down statewide and in border cities/counties.

I have provided data that federal expenditures on border security have increased significantly in the last 3-5 years.

And I have provided data that deportations have risen proportionately at the same time.

In fact, according to DHS/Customs data, the number of illegal immigrants currently in the country is at its lowest point in the last 10 years...having peaked in 2007.

IMO, when the governor of AZ describes the current illegal immigration problem in AZ as responsible for "murder, terror and mayhem" and the federal government is "not responding"....I would suggest she is politicizing the problem as much as anyone.

And that means politicizing the issue as much or more than those law enforcement officials in AZ and elsewhere who have expressed concern over the law and who you say are ALL acting for political or financial reasons.

Another fact check

added:
I am not for open borders, as you or others have suggested. I am not for illegal immigrants having more rights than citizens, as you or others have suggested.

IMO, the only way to address the issue is to have comprehensive reform that provides more effective border security (not wasting money on a symbolic fence) AND a pathway to citizenship for most of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the country....NOT amnesty as it is mischaracterized for political purposes....but a process where they register, go to the back of the line, have a background check, pay taxes and fines, learn english, etc.

First time you have made that admission. Thanks.
I never said they didn't.
You actually stated that Obama had done more than Bush. You are now altering your story to say 3-5 years.
No disagreement on this timeframe.
Which is directly related to the economic downturn.
Add this - Take my posts and direct your response to me -
Take other people's posts and direct your responses to them.
Aside from your fence point (I'd prefer a well constructed wall with checkpoints and medical facilities on the Mexican side) I mostly agree - its in the details of how to accomplish this. Additionally, the problem with anything that is seen as "Amnesty" or preferential treatment for the criminals already here is that creates a rush on the borders. Well that and the still lingering question of Who are these 12 million and which ones do we want to allow to stay?
I see no other way to control immigration without actually controlling it. Without a wall/fence or some other means, there is no way.

It would be a pleasant surprise if you could acknowledge any of the data I provided rather than twist what I post or nitpick it or ignore data that you dont like. Somehow, you are never wrong....or never willing to acknowledge the shortcomings in your own posts.

And for the record, I provide cites when requested...certainly more than you or most others.

Finally, it would pleasant surprise if you could even consider the fact that the supporters of the law have politicized the issue as much as anyone. Somehow, from your perspective, its all on one side...ALL those who have issues with the law have political or financial interests.

Then, I might believe you are interested in an honest discussion.

????? I acknowledge that you provided data.
?????????? Really? I wish.
Again lumping people together - I post cites as often, if not more than anyone. Is there somewhere I didn't post a cite that you need?
WTF are you talking about?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

ETA - way to take another post out of context again. I let it go because you made some cogent rational points, but immediately after I reply you attack and get all snarky again. Probably is better we do not communicate anymore.

Somethings never change......you are always the victim.

You never twist others post...but yours are take out of context.

Cry me a river, dude, and put me on ignore.

But when I see bullshit and narrow minded generalizations, I will respond.