Point is slippery slope is a logical fallacy and must not be used. That is all

Significant difference? The AZ law states "After lawful contact".

Right....and the law makes illegal immigration a state crime, and, in and of itself, a "lawful contact"...and that is the issue.

It is not asking about immigration status after other lawful contact.

If one is already being lawfully detained for questioning in connection to any other crime, I dont think there is an issue of potential discrimination.

If one is solely being detained for questioning based on immigration status as a "lawful contact", I do think there is an issue of potential discrimination. Anglos are not likely be be detained solely on the basis of immigration status being a lawful contact.

And that is the difference the Court should determine.

and lawful contact is quite different from lawful detention. On such semantic differences turn Supreme Court cases.

and I kind of wish you would all go away and start your own immigration thread, or post about this in the neimroller thread, and leave this thread for discussion of drug wars on the border. Related issues, but not quite the same. I acknowledge my powerlessness on this point though.

I think you're confused.

Sorry Cloud.

quite possible, but why?

No, no, I think redux is confused - in that asking about immigration status comes after lawful contact for another reason. Sorry to muck up your thread.

ah.

"shrug"

I could say the same about you being confused...and neither of us is an expert on the subject.

And I could add, that I didnt make sweeping generalizations. or use a broad brush, questioning the motives and integrity of experts with whom you do not agree.

Sorry for the muck up as well, cloud.

Illegal immigration is a crime already. It matters not that a state also makes it a crime.

Dude - take it here

why?

(Cloud lafs at her powerlessness.ness)

Immigration problems and issues have been hot topics long before the current drug violence in Cd. Juarez, which isn't very close to Arizona. Maybe we just need a new thread?

And of course I got jumped on for even making a comment about this. But thread drift is apparently just dandy.