It is time to pack that pack and hike around the neighborhood to see what needs to be left behind. A not so easy exercise is to put a 5 gallon jug of water in the pack and hike with that.

At Philmont I took a page from the Bible and packed the food which got lighter everyday. My partners pack never got lighter.

Quick update - the air mattress is wonderful. First morning in the woods that I'm not in pain. Might need a bigger tent though. This bad mamma jamma takes up lots of room.

Camp pillow is working out, too, but mostly as a prop up for the sheet I'm using on top of it.

I didn't use my sleeping bag last night cause I was hot. Now, I'm cold. Gonna use it tonight.

Dumb question - if the outside of tent gets wet, are you supposed to feel the wet on the inner walls?

Sent from my tent

Sent from your tent!

Awesome that you slept well.


You ask a simple question, but the answer is more complicated. Nobody wants the inner walls of their tent to get wet, but it sometimes happens.

You get two kinds of wet in a tent. Rain getting in and condensation. In your situation last night it was probably the rain. Your rainfly, if I recall correctly, doesn't cover your entire tent. The parts of your tent that are exposed will get wet in the rain, and if the rain is long enough, the water soaks into the fabric wicks its way into the inside and beads up. A good design of a tent will have a rainfly that covers the entire tent, but is some distance away from the tent, so when the water soaks into the rainfly and beads up on the underside, it doesn't touch the inner tent to get it wet.

Condensation is usually a bigger problem. It's almost always warmer and more humid inside a tent than outside the tent. It's most pronounced in cooler weather, but can happen on a hot summer night too. Moisture from your breath collects on the inside of the tent and condenses there where it meets the slightly cooler temperature from the outside.

The ideal way to avoid condensation is to have lots of ventilation. Not ideal on a cold night. Again, the best tents for fighting moisture have a nice big rainfly that stands off the tent by several inches. The fly will get wet from rain or condensation, but the inner tent stays dry. Helps if the inner tent has a lot of screening.

I have a Slumberjack Trail 3 that is rellly good at keeping me dry in rain and condensation situations. But it's a heavy 8 pounds. Not too expensive at around $110.

Pffft, why spend $110 for a Slumberjack Trail 3 when for less than a bitcoin you can get one of these single wall, waterproof/windproof, vapor permeable tents⸮

Thanks for the info. I'll respond longer when I'm out of the woods. Debating leaving early again. Bugs are bad. Either tent or bug net are my only options. I don't want to eat dinner in a bug net

So, the wet was not condensation. I actually leave a bit of the doors open (there's screens for venting) even when it's cold or it gets too hot and stuffy in the tent. This wet was more from the water hitting the ground and splashing up, I guess. The rainfly on the tent goes a bit over the front and back, but not as far over the sides. It's not flush with the sides, it just doesn't stick out as far. I guess that's why the walls there aren't protected as well?

Well, good to know, anyways. I thought it was because I bought a cheap tent or something. 8 pounds is only 1 pound more than what I have now. I think I can handle that :D

I have some pictures, but I'm in the woods in the mountains (in an Airbnb) trying to digest my dinner. I feel like a python.

I did end up leaving. It was a good thing, I got more than double the bug bites while packing up. I'm up to 21. Including one on my foot arch. Unbelievable. I'm pretty sure I'm going to cancel my next camping trip at a lake and just do day trips instead. It'll waste some gas, but I won't be miserable, so it's a win, I think. Plus, I'll save 40 bucks.......and use it for the gas.

You've attacked this like it's mission from your commanding officer. STOP!
It's supposed to be a fun weekend, not a suicide mission to win some war.
The original point was to camp so you could see more territory, camping was the method, not the goal.

But, but, if she does a hitch in the military, she'll get one of those great tents like in the video above and see lots of new territory!

What's that from? Full Metal Jacket, maybe?

?? I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

I think he's saying that camping is a means more than an end. Over planning and overpacking and over expecting....



you're going about it like the goal is to do normal things outside. Which is all fine if you're practicing for something, but the idea of camping is so you can go do something for a few days where it would not work if you had to go home to sleep each night. at least it is t me....
but maybe you are enamored with the adventure of the logistics. It sure looks like you're having fun obsessing about each detail. you do you, and don't worry about what we think of WHY.

also, that video up there^


the pciture is SO clear on my monitor. it's like i could reach in and poke the guy in the head. high def stuff

I started to say what time is it, but I see its not 9pm yet. ^^^.

My wife gets a tube of Procto-Med HC 2.5% for her hemorrhoids. What pray tell does this have to do with camping? Its great for ant and bug bites. It quits hurting almost immediately. A tube lasts a long time, but after trying you will want to run the prescription even if you don't need any. Now if you don't mind telling your doctor that you have a hemorrhoid on your ass you can get a script. It is doubtful the doc will look at your asshole.

The technical reason why is: it's shot at 60 frames per second. We are used to 24 frames per second (that's film), 30 frames per second digital video... 60 fps is here now

and wait til you see the 60 fps porn omg it's practically dangerous

so, of course I immediately googled 60 fps porn.


it seems to be shot to watch on the VR headgear.... all dual image like for the old stereogram viewers.... shot in first person. that must be crazy. how much are those rigs?