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Looks like Obamy and the Dems maybe playing an end around on the deals they made behind closed doors in the White House.
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And every time, you turned me down. I understand, its just not your style to "discuss" on a discussion board. You would rather troll (by most forum standards, snipping and pasting w/o commentary is trolling). |
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Talk about a power move by the Demoncrats, this is amazing. How can this be defended?
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I certainly support health insurance reform. It is how this reform is coming about that I have a problem with.
This was a good editorial in the NYT today which gives us a snapshot of some of the plans in the works. Quote:
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It sounds pretty good to me.
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Sounds all puppies and roses, counterpoint?
In the UK where everyone (citizens, resdients?) gets free Health care, you can also have private insurance or pay for private treatment, you may get the same treatment from the same specialist, but queue jump by paying privately, or stay in a nicer facility. I like this 'system', everyone gets care, if you can afford it you can pay for convienence/speed/ not mixing with the hoi polloi, the actual standard of treatment is equally good. |
The bit they are leaving out is that all young working people will be required to buy health insurance. It will be mandated by law. The most recent estimates are it will be between 7% and 10% of their income. I personally think that is great. If you want health care you should pay some percent into the system whether you make a $100 a week a $100,000 a week. You want it, you pay for it.
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Is that common , when you're young and think you're invulnerable and immortal to skip insurance as taking up valuable drinking funds.
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Stop trying to insure young people! :D |
Yes, especially when you consider that young people are more likely to have only part-time jobs, thus not qualifying for employer-provided health insurance.
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Mandatory health insurance is also what will make possible one of the best parts of the bill- the elimination of "pre-existing conditions" as a factor.
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I agree, the elimination of "pre-existing conditions" is one of the good things. The other problems with the current House Bill are huge. In the end, if passed as written and signed by the president, it will end health care as we know it in the US. Some say hey that is great! But there are huge unintended consequences that are looming out there associated with this bill. Those issues are not being addressed by this.
Among them: Long term payments for catastrophic care. Reimbursement for health care providers. Payment of educational loans for physicians and other specialty providers. Costs of medical malpractice. Control of frivolous lawsuits. Overhead costs associated with giving care at lower rates. Younger (healthy) people will most likely pay twice what older people will pay for insurance and it will be mandatory that all people care for it. Payment for specialty services and care. Incentives for providing care for less cost and competition by monopolies of large health care organizations. Long term payments for the elderly in nursing facilities. Long term care of patients in physical rehab for catastrophic injury. Care of patients with significant chronic disease, i.e. dialysis, mental health, pediatric disease, research. Transplant costs. Long term costs associated with 10 years of this plan to the taxpayer. Access to care for all these new patients. Destruction of the private insurance industry. Lack of incentives for expensive research into rare and fatal disease. Who decides what costs are standard procedures and what they will pay? Who prioritizes the lists for care as the waiting list grows? In the end you are basically going to give up your freedom of choice in your care. The list goes on and on. It all comes down to cost. It all is addressed by how this potentially bankrupting bill is going to be paid for. They have put the cart before the horse. As I have stated repeatedly, be careful what you wish for. |
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