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Radar 01-08-2008 05:07 PM

The proof that I don't answer myself?

Happy Monkey 01-08-2008 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 422548)
Nothing other than proving that the clause can ONLY refer to slaves many times,

You've done nothing of the sort. All you have said is that the duty applies to slaves. But the duty only applies to imports, not migration. You haven't answered that point.

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The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
Separate it out. I will assume "or" to mean A or B or both. If you disagree, eliminate choice 3.
  1. The Migration ... of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight ...
  2. The ... Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
  3. The Migration [and] Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
Migration and/or Importation interference are prohibited, pre 1808.
Importation may be taxed.

Nothing in the wording restricts "Migration" to slaves.

Radar 01-08-2008 05:50 PM

Ok, let's separate it out and spell it out so you can understand it....

The movement OR importation of SLAVES that the states want to import won't be prohibited by Congress before 1808.

The word "or" doesn't play a part here. The movement (migration) or importation of slaves doesn't change the fact that they are slaves. If slave owners want to move them from one slave state to another (migration) or they want to import them from another country, they are still slaves. Migration is for the slaves that are already here, and importation is for the new slaves being brought in.

Happy Monkey 01-08-2008 06:00 PM

The word SLAVES plays no part here. It's not in the passage.

busterb 01-08-2008 06:22 PM

Radar. World renown Award Winning Libertarian Activist, Computer Network Engineer, Bartender, and Casino Craps Dealer. slow cooker scholar. BTW.

TheMercenary 01-08-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by busterb (Post 422645)
Radar. World renown Award Winning Libertarian Activist, Computer Network Engineer, Bartender, and Casino Craps Dealer. slow cooker scholar. BTW.

[understatement]ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/understatementofthelargestorder]
:p

Radar 01-08-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 422640)
The word SLAVES plays no part here. It's not in the passage.

The word slaves does play a part. There is only one kind of person that is imported or migrated for which a duty or tax is paid for....a slave.

Deny it all you want, but that's the truth. That clause refers ONLY to slaves and to nobody else.

Radar 01-08-2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by busterb (Post 422645)
Radar. World renown Award Winning Libertarian Activist, Computer Network Engineer, Bartender, and Casino Craps Dealer. slow cooker scholar. BTW.

That statement would be correct if you removed "world renown" and changed "slow cooker" to "Constitutional"

TheMercenary 01-08-2008 08:30 PM

Hey, more criminal illegals aliens crossed the border today. They are all taking your benifits and services away from the American public. Get ready to pay a little more for your services now.

Happy Monkey 01-08-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 422667)
The word slaves does play a part. There is only one kind of person that is imported or migrated for which a duty or tax is paid for....a slave.

The duty or tax does not apply to "migration". "Migration", present in the prohibition clause, is explicitly absent in the duty or tax clause.

Radar 01-08-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 422669)
Hey, more criminal illegals aliens crossed the border today. They are all taking your benifits and services away from the American public. Get ready to pay a little more for your services now.

Not one illegal alien has ever entered America. More criminal assholes who support violating the Constitution have been polluting online messageboards though.

Radar 01-08-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 422675)
The duty or tax does not apply to "migration". "Migration", present in the prohibition clause, is explicitly absent in the duty or tax clause.

The duty or tax applies to the importation of slaves. Congress must allow slave owners to import slaves, or migrate them around within the United States until 1808. Either way it only applies to slaves.

Nothing you say will change that. It only applies to slaves and nobody else. IT ONLY APPLIES TO SLAVES AND NOBODY ELSE!!!

Aliantha 01-08-2008 10:00 PM

if you say it louder, someone might believe you more.

classicman 01-08-2008 10:08 PM

Only radar believes radar at this point. The more he tries to convince me, the less I agree.

Radar 01-08-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 422685)
if you say it louder, someone might believe you more.

I don't care if he believes me. I've stated a fact. He can deny it a million times but it will not change. The more he denies it, the more stupid he looks. In fact nobody who denies the truth in what I say has an intellect above that of a flea.

Also, the typewritten word can't be "louder" if it's in all caps. :)


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