Okay.

...and it's 3am. Are you OK?

...because that was also a little out of character.

#seepatronizing is contagious -but I did mean that genuinely

It is 3am, I'll be up for a couple of hours yet, it takes a while to wind down.

Good luck with your car hunting, I'm a car lover, I hope you get what you want.

I want my old car to last for another 12 years :(

I was a car lover too, when I was younger. I'm not as agile now, and the gear shift isn't on the column in my current car so it just gets in the way.

Um so I are a car idiot. But, after driving the 2012 T&C then going back to my 12yo windstar, I prefer my Windstar. It accelerates like a boss. I just wish the darn transmission wasn't a timebomb... apparently we've spent over $3000 on it this last 12 months and the transmission (notorious for blowing around 10o-150K on windstars) still hasn't gone...... (we're at 160K)

So they're busy trying to sell off 2012 models now. What happens to them if they're not gone in the next week?

nothing.

have you looked at the Quest?

A kickback for placing the financing with Ally/Chase.

Any color you like as long it's not a color.:gray:

I know exactly what you mean. My 16 year old Geo Prizm is better than any new car offered for sale today. That I can afford, anyway. I'm gonna drive this thing into the ground. I figure if we spend on average $1K a year on repairs to keep it going in top form, we're better off than buying a new car.

Try shopping around for a transmission place before you need the work done. The chains and the dealers are going to charge the most. There's probably a hole in the wall transmission place that does good work and is half what those other places charge. About 18 years ago, our old Buick's transmission died, and the tow truck driver took it to a little shop he knew of. I forget the actual numbers, but a couple weeks later we went to a funeral and I was talking to an uncle who had just had the transmission fixed at Aamco for his car, and he paid 3 times more than I had paid. He was pissed when he heard that.

Hmm, edmunds and cars.com both liked the 2012, only slight gripe was the interior space with the seats folded isn't as big as others. Huge end of season discount right now.

But really Titanium beige is the nearest thing to a color,
Super Black, has HotBlack Desiato feel to it.

I can fix the color with duck tape :)

Ugh, back to it.... it wasn't the transmission that got it in the end, the ABS is kaput. $1,000. Um, no.

Beest just drove an Odyssey and like it, but $$$ and absolutekly no trade discount (although it sounds like that may be irrelevant to the end price at this time of year......?)

did you check out fightingchance.com?

I did. I remain sceptical....