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Happy Monkey 06-04-2006 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
You are in the military when you are President.

No, you're in charge of the military. Part of our nation's strength is the civilian leadership of the military.

tw 06-04-2006 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage
If Bush’s nominee for CIA chief, Air Force General Michael Hayden, is confirmed, that will put every spy program in Washington under military control.

If you have not been aware of this battle and a much larger war between CIA and Rumsfeld, then you don't have a clue how much infighting is now regular in Washington. At one point, DoD tried to take the functions in the National Security Agency (NSA) completely away from CIA (yes NSA is a DoD function whose #1 customer is CIA). The Supreme Court literally stepped in and ended that battle in favor of CIA.

The story of Potter Goss is still not told. Many players are now holding cards very close to their chest. Potter Goss was basically installed to disembowel the CIA - a least that was the White House agenda. I still don't know what Potter Goss was doing. But whatever it was, it was in opposition to what the White House wanted. I suspect Potter Goss tried to work more for the CIA than for the White House. It is pretty much known that Negroponte - Intelligence Czar - has made a bureaucratic mess of the nation's intelligence. But again, it is not clear his position in a DoD's political war on CIA.

Too many in this battle still are not talking (leaking). When one victim (Potter Goss) does talk (if he ever does), then we should have a much better idea where even General Hayden stands. Currently it is unknown if he will work to undermine CIA (which I doubt) for the benefit of DoD, or if he will stand up for CIA. But the bottom line - if you did not see it years ago - there is major infighting between CIA and DoD. Currently, CIA appears to be losing - as indicated by the number of people who actually think there was an intelligence failure before and after 11 September.

BigV 06-05-2006 09:25 AM

Porter Goss, if you please. :grates:

Flint 06-05-2006 10:19 AM

...wathced U.S. Police-State Double Feature this weekend:

John Carpenter's They Live, and Running Man

EDIT - (bonus feature: follow the TV theme to Network)

Happy Monkey 03-28-2007 12:37 PM


link

Lunchtime "team-building seminars" at the GAO on how to support Republican candidates in elections.

TheMercenary 03-28-2007 01:17 PM

One seriously outdated thread.

Happy Monkey 03-28-2007 01:22 PM

Old, but unfortunately not outdated.

TheMercenary 03-28-2007 01:25 PM

Really, I could have sworn Porter Goss and Rummy were gone... wait let me check on that.

Happy Monkey 03-28-2007 01:31 PM

There's more where they came from.

TheMercenary 03-28-2007 01:33 PM

Yep, we need people to step up and do the good work that needs to be done.

Happy Monkey 03-28-2007 01:33 PM

First we need the bad ones to step down.

TheMercenary 03-28-2007 01:34 PM

Slowly but surely they are being replaced.

Happy Monkey 03-28-2007 01:47 PM

I have no confidence that the replacements are better. Gonzales is certainly worse than Ashcroft.

Of course, confirmation won't be a rubber stamp anymore, so there's some good news there. A swift boat financier was just blocked as ambassador to Belgium. Not that that position is particularly important, but it might force Bush to be more reasonable in his picks.

Or maybe he'll just do more recess appointments.

BigV 03-28-2007 01:57 PM

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Happy Monkey 04-04-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 327512)
A swift boat financier was just blocked as ambassador to Belgium. Not that that position is particularly important, but it might force Bush to be more reasonable in his picks.

Or maybe he'll just do more recess appointments.

I'm an oracle.


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