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xoxoxoBruce 06-13-2007 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 354772)
You don't have to say something to imply it. Saying only 5% of blacks have sensible positions is implying that they have insensible positions, which is negative and leads to stupidity. Free market, end of welfare, ect, are not sensible or insensible positions, they are opinions. Many blacks will support welfare, etc because it helps them, not because it is the best for Ron Paul.

If you say he 'implied' then you're saying that's what you heard. That doesn't make it what he said or intended.
More than opinion, position. A position is an opinion that you promote, work to achieve, your philosophy. He certainly believes that people who disagree aren't sensible on these issues, but that in no way construes he feels they're stupid... just wrong.
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That only 10-20% has committed violent crimes as rape, murder, etc? And when did this have to do with black women and white men? Ron Paul said we should be scared of black people because they are disproportionably violent compared to whites. You still can't label the black population as a whole because of some criminals. Just like you can't say we should be scared of Muslims because some are committing terrorist attacks or think all whites are greedy because of white-collared crime.
Nothing to do with black women/white men, I said that's the thread where I linked to the Justice Departments crime stats, if you want to look at them.
Disproportionate, likely because there is a disproportionate number in poverty, but it's still true. Don't bother with that seat belt, only a few cars crash.

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Yes, then why just say blacks?
I don't know. None of us do.

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They seem scarier than whites or Hispanics of the same size, intentions, etc because of the stereotypes about them. And once again, you have to be careful not to label the whole black population of what a minority does or look like.
I don't think they look any scarier than others in the same position, they're all scary in those circumstances. Nothing to do, nothing to loose, resigned to going to jail eventually and sure they will live forever.

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I would rather have Paul as president then any of the other Republican candidates...
Your privilege, but I think he's shot himself in the foot with that one.

piercehawkeye45 06-14-2007 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 354827)
If you say he 'implied' then you're saying that's what you heard. That doesn't make it what he said or intended.
More than opinion, position. A position is an opinion that you promote, work to achieve, your philosophy. He certainly believes that people who disagree aren't sensible on these issues, but that in no way construes he feels they're stupid... just wrong.

I never wanted to get into what I am going to say but it is pretty much inevitable since it is politics but Paul will never say outright that he is a racist but can only hint at it. You can not prove hints. You can only guess that he is racist by the hints he gives you, and by his pointing out blacks in particular, it is giving out pretty strong hints that he may be a racist. But this all determines on what people consider racism too.

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Disproportionate, likely because there is a disproportionate number in poverty, but it's still true. Don't bother with that seat belt, only a few cars crash.
There is a difference to be scared of all black people and avoiding situations that could get you in trouble. Being scared of all black people is irrational because it involves flawed logic. Paul either did a really bad job at explaining what he meant or he gave more hints.

Griff 06-14-2007 08:21 AM



Paul on the Colbert Report

piercehawkeye45 06-14-2007 08:29 AM

Haha, the ending was funny.

xoxoxoBruce 06-14-2007 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45
But this all determines on what people consider racism too.

Absolutely, this multicultural push has made too many PC people bristle at any mention race, jumping to conclusions, or worse, actually fanning the flames for personal gain.

You, being of the next generation of adults actually out there interacting with society, have to opportunity to make things better by your actions. But I'd caution you not to be so PC as to avoid seeing or discussing problems that exist. You can't fix problems by pretending they don't exist, or avoiding addressing them for fear of offending someone.
Batter up.

piercehawkeye45 06-14-2007 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 354969)
You, being of the next generation of adults actually out there interacting with society, have to opportunity to make things better by your actions. But I'd caution you not to be so PC as to avoid seeing or discussing problems that exist. You can't fix problems by pretending they don't exist, or avoiding addressing them for fear of offending someone.
Batter up.

I do not try to get caught up in PC but sometimes I will if I feel it is too much or wrong. I am not trying to baby anyone or give anyone a free ride, I am personally against that, but if I see a big difference that I feel is wrong I will try to point it out and hopefully get started on fixing it.

Ibby 06-14-2007 11:41 PM

Great record, great views, great positions... except hes an unabashed racist.

Dammit.

Griff 06-15-2007 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 355235)
...except hes an unabashed racist.

...according to one source with his own agenda.

elSicomoro 06-17-2007 09:05 PM

Maybe there's hope for him yet, Griff.

From MSNBC: On Technorati, which offers a real-time glimpse of the blogosphere, the most frequently searched term this week was "YouTube."

Then comes "Ron Paul."

The presence of the obscure Republican congressman from Texas on a list that includes terms such as "Sopranos," "Paris Hilton" and "iPhone" is a sign of the online buzz building around the long-shot Republican presidential hopeful -- even as mainstream political pundits have written him off.

piercehawkeye45 06-17-2007 09:14 PM

He gets the attention of all the conspiracists and they are making up most of those. But, they are spreading the word. He is the only candidate that I've seen spamming from.

Griff 09-07-2007 07:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BB3N...Ecom%2Fblog%2F

Griff 09-07-2007 08:06 AM

Interesting...



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