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TheMercenary 04-08-2007 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 332053)
How many of them are claiming social security?

The strain is not on the SS system. It is on health care and prisons, among other things.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9649C8B63 (from 2002)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13461203.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16285023/

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=417

TheMercenary 04-08-2007 08:06 PM

Dana, check with you tomorrow, have to go to work.

xoxoxoBruce 04-08-2007 10:00 PM

Why bother, you two aren't going to agree. You start out with a report that says 5 million when it's actually 3.5 times that. Old saws like they do dirty jobs that nobody else will do, which is pure myth. They do unskilled labor, for lack of skills and they'll work cheaper because they haven't the overhead.

Sure we have room for them, but they don't want to live where we have room. There's plenty of air to breath, too. If they were trees, it wouldn't be a problem. But they aren't, they're people, people than need infrastructure and services, both of which are expensive and they aren't paying for.

With the billions of dollars they take back to Mexico, why haven't they done anything there? You know, businesses and companies, to establish a decent economy there. Because all their potential customers and employees are here?

DanaC 04-09-2007 05:07 AM

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You know, businesses and companies, to establish a decent economy there. Because all their potential customers and employees are here?
I though much of the article was pointing towards the fact that they have started to develop their economy now?

xoxoxoBruce 04-09-2007 11:05 AM

No, it only says
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Job growth is a key component of President Felipe Calderon's agenda in Mexico.
This is an echo of past claims that didn't bear fruition.

Kitsune 05-03-2007 01:12 PM

Anyone else catch all the protecting and serving that went on at the recent immigration protests?


piercehawkeye45 05-03-2007 01:14 PM

I was going to post this later today.

Fuck the police and the media.

The police did not have to use that force and this would never been reported like this if a camera person did not get hurt.

It is pathetic that someone in the media has to get hurt before they will report what the police did negatively.

Good strategy for protesters by the way.

xoxoxoBruce 05-03-2007 02:18 PM

Apparently as long as they were in the street and moving it was OK, but when they were congregating in the park the cops cleared them out. At least that's what I can make of what I've seen on TV.

TheMercenary 05-03-2007 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 340277)
I was going to post this later today.

Fuck the police and the media.

The police did not have to use that force and this would never been reported like this if a camera person did not get hurt.

It is pathetic that someone in the media has to get hurt before they will report what the police did negatively.

Good strategy for protesters by the way.


I'm glad they kicked their asses.

Kitsune 05-03-2007 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 340303)
I'm glad they kicked their asses.

You're glad the police kicked the asses of people who were doing nothing illegal? Why?

TheMercenary 05-03-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 340305)
You're glad the police kicked the asses of people who were doing nothing illegal? Why?

Disorderly conduct and failure to disburse are hardly legal. If ordered to move and you fail to do so you will suffer the consequences.

elSicomoro 05-03-2007 03:27 PM

I'm all about letting people come here...the more the merrier. Of course, not willy-nilly...we gotta check 'em out and shit. But we started as a country of immigrants...we should remain so.

Kitsune 05-03-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 340306)
Disorderly conduct and failure to disburse are hardly legal. If ordered to move and you fail to do so you will suffer the consequences.

Wrong. Not only because "failure to disburse" (this doesn't apply, anyway, because it looks to me like the media was moving when asked in the videos) when you aren't doing anything wrong should never be met with violence, but also:

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The use of force on news crews came despite a legal settlement signed in 2002 calling for the Los Angeles police and city officials to recognize journalists' right to cover public protests even if there is a declaration of unlawful assembly and an order to disperse.

Under the settlement, the city agreed to assign a press liaison to such events and to set up designated media areas.

The pact resolved a lawsuit brought on behalf of seven journalists who said they were assaulted by police officers while covering the 2000 Democratic National Convention in L.A.

Peter Eliasberg, an ACLU lawyer who helped negotiate the settlement, said that based on broadcast news reports he has heard and viewed, "the police went way over the line," using force that "violates the law and the Constitution."

TheMercenary 05-03-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 340307)
I'm all about letting people come here...the more the merrier. Of course, not willy-nilly...we gotta check 'em out and shit. But we started as a country of immigrants...we should remain so.

I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants. If you cross the border illegally you get to turn around and go back home and take all your kids, mothers, grandmothers, etc, with you. I don't care if they were born here or not. Circumvent the process or pay the price.

TheMercenary 05-03-2007 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 340308)
Wrong. Not only because "failure to disburse" (this doesn't apply, anyway, because it looks to me like the media was moving when asked in the videos) when you aren't doing anything wrong should never be met with violence, but also:

Maybe they just needed a work out or a warm up or something for a bigger ass kicking later. I don't know.


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