The Cellar - Abortion back on the top of the agenda

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You think the doctors are the ones in charge of when these procedures are usually done now? The doctor gets no final say at all really, if a woman demands it be done even without medical need then there are extremely few (basically none) recourses for the doctor. I just want to clarify the idea that it's the scientists who are truly in charge of this whole deal, damn I wish we were. Scientists are rarely in charge of much these days, it's one of my huge frustrations that society will pat itself on the back about being so enlightened and scientific, then put control of what we're allowed to do in the hands of Johnny moron. Why in the world are we even bothering to give people a vote on stem cell research? Why the hell do I have to deal with the nutjobs who think they can tell me that my research on primates is the same as research on enslaved humans when the extent of their biological education was HS sex ed? Sorry, this didn't have much to do with abortion debating, but as long as we're putting science up to vote in ANY forum outside the scientific community I'll fight the idea that we're a society based on what's really logical and scientific.

Frankly speaking, if you really thought that this issue is one that should be decided by pure science, you wouldn't want to be included in the decision. Argue for the removal of emotional arguments, but don't hide behind a mask.

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Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 335852)

In addition to associated emotion reactions, D&X carries the risk of injury to the woman, including heavy bleeding, blood clots, damage to the cervix or uterus, pelvic infection, and anesthesia-related complications.

Apparently, the alternate method to D&X is actually more dangerous. And Tom Minnery, "Focus on the Family"s veep, thinks that's a good thing:

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Originally Posted by Tom Minnery

Doctors adopted the late-term procedure "out of convenience," Minnery added. "The old procedure, which is still legal, involves using forceps to pull the baby apart in utero, which means there is greater legal liability and danger of internal bleeding from a perforated uterus. So we firmly believe there will be fewer later-term abortions as a result of this ruling."

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer (Post 336322)

Are you talking about abortion, 9th? Wouldn't that be like elective surgery? Are you saying the Doctor can't say no, can't say she'll have to find another Doctor, and walk away if the woman isn't in immediate danger?

Or do you mean if it's not elective, just the Doctor has more than one procedure to choose from, but can't choose if the woman insists on a particular one?

Hope that's clear.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 350747)

Apparently, the alternate method to D&X is actually more dangerous. And Tom Minnery, "Focus on the Family"s veep, thinks that's a good thing:

Sure, that'll put the fear o' god in 'em. Maybe they'll have a nervous breakdown and won't be competent to sign for it
until it's too late. After all, we have our stirling child services department to raise the kid properly.

Stirling? Serling? Stirling? Serling? Whatever.