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freshnesschronic 06-15-2007 02:49 PM

You lost me at the top.

Come back and get me!

Cloud 06-15-2007 02:50 PM

you are so weird, Flint. (but that's okay, since I love weird)

I hope ultra-facility isn't important to my expression . . .

since I have no idea wtf it means.

Flint 06-15-2007 02:51 PM

You read my signature! Bozzio is an ex Zappa drummer.That quote is from an interview in Modern Drummer, and the bonus is that he references Joseph Campbell. It's like all my favorite things at once. ... . . . I know it's a little longish and I always wonder if anybody ever actualy reads it.

Cloud 06-15-2007 02:53 PM

a ha!

the bliss!

Flint 06-15-2007 02:55 PM

Yes... "follow your bliss" ...

jester 06-15-2007 02:57 PM

the bills i get in the mail say i exist - my birth certificate says i exist, but if i had a death certificate i wouldn't exist

Cloud 06-15-2007 02:59 PM

computers don't follow their bliss. I posit that it's JOY that proves you are alive.

Flint 06-15-2007 03:09 PM

It's not about computers versus people. But if it were, I would ask you if you are composed of materials which must obey the laws of physics.

Cloud 06-15-2007 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 355593)
I would ask you if you are composed of materials which must obey the laws of physics.

only partially

"Luminous beings we are, not this crude matter."

(pinches self)

OW!

Now, see what you made me do!

I'm real, I'm real, I'm a real boy!

. . . er, girl.

Flint 06-15-2007 03:12 PM

What else are you made of? Energy which must also obey the laws of physics, or something else?

Cloud 06-15-2007 03:15 PM

joy

Flint 06-15-2007 03:18 PM

Oh, and what is that? ...is it made of magic fairy dust?

Which reminds me of the funniest song I heard today:

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Prine
But fortunately
I have the key
To escape reality

You may see me tonight with an illegal smile
It don't cost very much, but it lasts a long while
Won't you please tell "the man" I didn't kill anyone
No I'm just tryin to have me some fun


Cloud 06-15-2007 03:24 PM

people are more than physical matter, cells and blood, organs and skin.

joy is my personal word for that More. We were just talking about bliss. Yoda uses the Force. If you believe in religion, maybe it's the soul. It's the feeling you get when you heart swells at a beautiful sunrise, or you dance yourself to trance. It's the More of human experience.

Flint 06-15-2007 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 355603)
people are more than physical matter, cells and blood, organs and skin. ...

And what else, specifically, are they made of? Unless we are to believe that human beings, of all things in the universe, are endowed with some magical property, then we have to conclude that we are made of whatever everything else is made of. If there is some magic in us, it just goes back to being defined as a physical property of the universe. Unless we, of all things that exist, are favored with some special supernatural quality.

Cloud 06-15-2007 03:40 PM

Don't know that humans have the exclusive claim to the More. I only know I experience it.

Maybe it's YOU that doesn't exist.


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