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binky 04-24-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 447989)
We have two, already. :dedhorse: :dedhors2:

Sry Bruce didn't take the time to look

xoxoxoBruce 04-24-2008 04:13 PM

Yeah, I know. Instead of looking, you cast wild, unfounded, aspersions on UT's failure to provide the necessary smilies to express yourself, when the failure is clearly yours and not UT's. Oh, the humanity. :lol2:

TheMercenary 04-24-2008 04:19 PM

They are all illegal. They broke our laws by entering illegally and sucking off the teet of our social system.

http://illegal.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

Staggering Cost Of Illegal
Aliens In America
Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners
By Frosty Wooldridge
4-10-8

Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council. While employers of illegal aliens rake-in billions of dollars, the US citizens subsidize what may be called organized "Slavery in 21st Century America."

While Congress facilitates outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring of American jobs by the thousands weekly, that same Congress imports 182,000 legal immigrant monthly who need jobs. Another estimated 100,000 illegal aliens arrive each month without jobs. All those immigrants seize jobs from American citizens at slave wages.

What happens to the American taxpayer?

"Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive public benefits than American citizens," said Edwin Rubenstein, reporting on the National Research Council's new book: "The New Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration." The Social Contract Winter 2007-08. <http://www.thesoicalcontract.com/>www.thesoicalcontract.com

The NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal welfare and pays $10,664.00 in federal taxes. Thus, American taxpayers shell out $2,682.00 for each immigrant household.

In addition, the report showed that immigrants affect 15 different executive agencies of the U.S. government.

Earned Income Tax Credit-fraud is rampant and IRS does little to verify existence of children. Clean Air and Climate Change-these goals are unattainable as long as US population grows-driven by unending immigration. Emergency medical treatment-US taxpayer money provides $250 million a year to help hospitals defray costs for illegal aliens. Bureau of Land Management-the Interior Department spends $1 million to mitigate environmental damage done by illegals crossing US southern border. Migrant educational grants-intended to help states educate children of illegal workers. More fraud from over-counting. Office of Foreign Labor Certification-immigrant workers depress wages for US citizens resulting in declines in federal revenues at $100 billion annually.

As shown on CBS with Katie Couric this past week, 300,000 pregnant Mexican women cross the border to birth their babies, known as 'anchor babies', in American hospitals at an average cost of $6,000.00 per birth with no complications. If the child suffers heart defects, Downs Syndrome, Autism or any other problems, the costs jump to $500,000.00 with long term care into the millions of dollars. All footed by the America taxpayer!

Not mentioned in Couric's report, that child enjoys free breakfasts and lunches through 13 years of publicly funded education at an average cost of $7,000.00 per year. Additionally, American taxpayers foot the bill for all medical and housing assistance for the child and mother. More hidden costs add up with ESL classes to teach the child English. Connecticut alone suffers 120 languages in their schools while Colorado suffers over 40 foreign languages that cripple their classrooms.

The list of expenses paid for by American taxpayer soars with time and numbers of illegal aliens. Additionally, legal immigrants sponsor their relatives in chain migration and family reunification at US taxpayer expense.

These immigrants take American jobs while they burn American taxpayer funds for immigrant welfare. This all happens while the US national debt approaches $10 trillion. Immigrants flood into this country while jobs cascade out to China where we owe $1 trillion in T-bills as of 2008. Additionally, we suffer a $700 billion annual trade deficit.

Once those illegal aliens hit this country, half of them work off the books and do not pay $401 billion dollars annually according to the 2005 Bear Stearns Report. Additionally, they form the second largest underground economy in the world. Both legal and illegal immigrants send $80 billion back to their home countries in cash transfers on untaxed money.

When does it end? Not any time soon! Who pays? You do! Like the proverbial golden calf, the United States taxpayer bleeds to death daily while our president and Congress fiddle, faddle and scratch their generous rear ends while they facilitate the death of America's middle class.

Our politicians create the problems they campaign to solve; but once in office, as John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have proven with their time in the U.S. Senate-they work more against Americans than for them. The proof in the aforementioned report is, as they say, "in the pudding!"

binky 04-24-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 448053)
Yeah, I know. Instead of looking, you cast wild, unfounded, aspersions on UT's failure to provide the necessary smilies to express yourself, when the failure is clearly yours and not UT's. Oh, the humanity. :lol2:

Ahem. Take a pill, wouldja?

binky 04-24-2008 05:08 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../23/wla123.xml

Radar 04-24-2008 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 448055)
They are all illegal. They broke our laws by entering illegally and sucking off the teet of our social system.

Nope. They aren't illegal. They haven't broken any constitutionally legitimate laws, and they are not costing American tax payers a single penny because they contribute BILLIONS of dollars more to the economy and tax base than they use in services.
  • They aren't breaking the law because all federal immigration laws are unconstitutional and therefore null and void.
  • They aren't here illegally because any federal laws against them entering the country freely and anonymously are unconstitutional and therefore null and void.
  • They aren't draining our social system...which happens to be unconstitutional anyway because they are putting more into it than they take from it.

TheMercenary 04-24-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 448110)
Nope. They aren't illegal. They haven't broken any constitutionally legitimate laws, and they are not costing American tax payers a single penny because they contribute BILLIONS of dollars more to the economy and tax base than they use in services.
  • They aren't breaking the law because all federal immigration laws are unconstitutional and therefore null and void.
  • They aren't here illegally because any federal laws against them entering the country freely and anonymously are unconstitutional and therefore null and void.
  • They aren't draining our social system...which happens to be unconstitutional anyway because they are putting more into it than they take from it.

Bull shit. They reap all the rewards and contribute little. They fill our prisons and birth their spawn on our dime. The facts speak for themselves. You can call them "constitutionally legitimate laws" but hey will still and do throw your ass in jail for it. Thank God we are finally seeing the light on this issue and have started to toss all these illegal scum bags out of the country.

TheMercenary 04-24-2008 10:55 PM

"Between 1999 and 2006, the 24 U.S. counties bordering Mexico spent $1.23 billion on illegal immigrants in their local criminal justice systems, according to the report.

Ruiz said his county can ill afford to deal with the illegal immigrant crime problem considering that the average per capita income in the county is $13,278.

Between 10 percent and 25 percent of the inmates in the local jail are illegal aliens, and $2.2 million of the $22 million in annual local general-fund taxes are spent dealing with criminal aliens, Ruiz said."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20080307b.html

TheMercenary 04-24-2008 10:57 PM

Let's see, Rice University economics professor or Radar? Hmmmm... My money is on the Rice University economics professor.

Because the number of illegal aliens can only be estimated, similarly the fiscal cost (government budget outlays) for those aliens can only be estimated. Dr. Donald Huddle, a Rice University economics professor, published a systematic analysis of those costs as of 1996 (see table below). The study also estimated the tax payments of those same aliens.

At that time, the illegal alien population was estimated to be about five million persons. The estimated fiscal cost of those illegal aliens to the federal, state and local governments was about $33 billion. This impact was partially offset by an estimated $12.6 billion in taxes paid to the federal, state and local governments, resulting in a net cost to the American taxpayer of about $20 billion every year. This estimate did not include indirect costs that result from unemployment payments to Americans who lost their jobs to illegal aliens willing to work for lower wages. Nor did it include lost tax collections from those American workers who became unemployed. The study estimated those indirect costs from illegal immigration at an additional $4.3 billion annually.

During the years since that estimate, the illegal alien population is estimated to have roughly doubled, so the estimated fiscal costs also will have at least doubled. Furthermore, the passage of time is accompanied by inflation in the costs of services, e.g., school budgets continue to climb. Therefore, what was estimated to be a cost to the American taxpayer of $33 billion in 1996 today would be at least $70 billion. Similarly, tax collections would have increased — sales taxes at least — so that the net expense to the taxpayer from illegal immigration would currently be at least $45 billion. The indirect fiscal costs would have also increased, especially during a period of already high unemployment, to perhaps and additional $10 billion annually.

1996 Costs Table from the Huddle Study 1

Programs
(billions)

Public Education K-12 $5.85

Public Higher Education $0.71

ESL and Bilingual Education $1.22

Food Stamps $0.85

AFDC $0.50

Housing $0.61

Social Security $3.61

Earned Income Tax Credit $0.68

Medicaid $3.12

Medicare A and B $0.58

Criminal Justice and Corrections $0.76

Local Government $5.00

Other Programs $9.25

Total Costs
$32.74

Less Taxes Paid
$12.59

Net Costs of Direct Services
$20.16

Displacement Costs
$4.28

All Net Costs
$24.44

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecentersf134

Radar 04-24-2008 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 448143)
Bull shit. They reap all the rewards and contribute little. They fill our prisons and birth their spawn on our dime. The facts speak for themselves. You can call them "constitutionally legitimate laws" but hey will still and do throw your ass in jail for it. Thank God we are finally seeing the light on this issue and have started to toss all these illegal scum bags out of the country.

They fill our prisons yet make up less than 4% of our prisons. The government doesn't even keep track of those who are undocumented immigrants in prisons. They only list "non-citizens" and they make up about 7%. Most of these are documented immigrants who have visas and who came here going through the unconstitutional federal immigration department.

They don't close down hospitals. They don't get on welfare or collect social security, yet they pay into social security. All unconstitutional laws are illegal and I'm within my rights to physically defend anyone who is attacked in an effort to enforce unconstitutional laws. I only wish the racist and xenophobic 'tards who support these illegal laws and attack Mexican immigrants would be stupid enough to launch a race war against Mexican undocumented immigrants. They would be destroyed.

TheMercenary 04-25-2008 09:41 AM

Mexico is only part of the problem. It is not Mexicans, it is all the illegal aliens who are destroying and taking advantage of our social system. Pretty sad when working legal citizens can't get health care and the illegal scumbags roll in and drop their nasty spawn on our door and on our dime. They need to scoope them up and send the bastards packing.

Well this is a start.

Illegal Alien Deportations on the Rise
By Penny Starr
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
April 10, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - A fence has yet to be built along the U.S. border with Mexico, and Congress has failed to come up with a comprehensive immigration policy. Although foreigners continue to sneak into this country, the U.S. government is doing a better job of finding them and sending them back.

According to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, a growing number of illegal aliens -- many of them with criminal records -- are being deported to their native homelands.

More than 280,500 individuals were deported last year by ICE, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, according to the immigration agency's annual report for fiscal year 2007, which ended on Sept. 30, 2007. (The report, released in January 2008, has been adjusted to reflect the actual numbers.)

The number of deportations has steadily increased since fiscal year 2003, when some 150,000 people were sent back to their place of origin, according to Pat Reilly, public affairs officer with ICE. Approximately 175,000 illegal immigrants were deported in fiscal years 2004 and 2005. Fiscal year 2006 saw more than 200,000 people forced out of the country.
Reilly said the number of deportations for the current fiscal year is expected to be even more dramatic.

"In the first quarter of fiscal year 2008 -- 94,237 people were removed," Riley told Cybercast News Service . If that trend continues, close to 500,000 illegal aliens could be sent out of the country by the end of this year.

Am estimated 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens are in the United States, but Riley said it's impossible to give an accurate number. "There's no viable way to tell how many people get in illegally."

Riley said there are several reasons for the increasing deportation numbers. One is a policy change made by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to end the "catch and release" policy on the U.S. border.

Previously, suspected illegal immigrants detained at the border were given a "notice to appear" in court for a deportation hearing. "We called it a notice to disappear," Reilly said.

Individuals who are stopped at the border for illegal entry are now taken into custody by ICE instead of being released on a promise to appear in court.

In previous years, many individuals failed to show up for their deportation hearings, and they became fugitives in the eyes of federal law. "There's a very large fugitive population in this country," Reilly said.

Recently, ICE has been more successful in finding fugitive illegal aliens and forcing them to leave the country, Reilly said.

In 2005, there were only 15 ICE teams canvassing the country for individuals who had been ordered to appear in court for deportation hearings but failed to show up. In 2007, 75 teams were on the job, and Reilly said ICE hopes to have 100 teams in place by the end of this year.

In 2006, ICE closed 23,356 "fugitive alien" cases, and that number quadrupled to 102,777 fugitive arrests last year, according to ICE's annual report.

That fiscal 2007 annual report credits the agency's high-tech DEPORT Center in Chicago, formed in 2006, with expediting cases of criminal illegal aliens serving time in prison.

DEPORT uses video teleconference equipment to screen, interview and launch removal proceedings against criminal aliens serving time in prisons across the nation.

Since its inception, ICE says DEPORT has screened over 33,000 cases, issued more than 17,000 charging documents to begin removal proceedings, and lodged more than 11,000 orders for continued detentions. (See ICE Fact Sheet)

Some of the criminal illegal aliens are serving time for murder, predatory sexual offenses, drug trafficking, and smuggling people into the United States.

Reilly said ICE also has expanded its partnership with state and local law enforcement in a program that trains and authorizes police officers to operate as federal immigration agents.

Reilly said at least 30 U.S. cities have signed on to the program, which involves checking the legal status of individuals who are arrested for various offenses. [See related story: Unheralded Program Speeds Up Expulsion of Criminal Aliens From US (May 16, 2007)]

For fiscal year 2008, the U.S. Congress has given ICE a budget of more than $5.5 billion, including $32.8 million for fugitive operations and $26.4 for supporting and training state and local police.

Reilly noted that not all deportations are related to crime. Under the Volunteer Repatriation program, individuals with no criminal record can leave the country of their own accord. In fiscal year 2007, 41,428 of the 280,500 deportation cases were voluntary.

TheMercenary 04-25-2008 09:44 AM

Immigration Law, Illegal Aliens and Crime
Thursday, 28 February 2008

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.

"Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable." Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B)

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.



Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

In addition to sneaking into the country in violation of the immigration law that requires that aliens be documented for legal entry (referred to as "entry without inspection -- EWI"), others enter with legal documentation and then violate the terms on which they have been admitted by taking jobs that are not authorized or overstaying the authorized period of stay in the country.

The list below are all crimes involving illegal immigration:

(1) Violating the immigration law is a FEDERAL CRIME

(2) Forging documents is a FEDERAL FELONY CRIME

(3) Passing forged documents is a FEDERAL FELONY CRIME

(4) Stealing ID is a FEDERAL FELONY CRIME

(5) Using stolen ID is a FEDERAL FELONY CRIME

Here are just a few studies that put illegal alien crime in focus:

A US GAO study found in a study population of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated, on average, each had been arrested 8 times for a total arrest figure of at least 459,614 times. If that isn't astounding enough, these 55,322 illegals in the study population had been arrested for committing 700,000 criminal offenses, which averages 13 crimes per illegal alien. So, each illegal alien incarcerated had been arrested 8 times and had committed at least 13 crimes.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, in 2005, 25% of prisoners in federal prisons were illegal aliens, and 4% were legal aliens. This proportion has not gone down; if anything, it has gone up markedly. Bill O'Reilly is on record more recently stating that illegal aliens account for 32% of the federal and state prison population.

According to the well-respected U.S. Center for Immigration Studies (www.cis.org), incarcerated convicted illegal aliens make up 29 percent of federal, state and local prisons at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. This number doubles when the costs for apprehension, the justice system, public defenders, interpreters, prosecutors and the courts add to the total.

Illegals represent about 8 percent of Arizona's population and the Arizona Department of Corrections reports that Mexican nationals make up 12 percent of the state's 37,200-inmate prison population.

Undocumented aliens, mostly from Mexico and Central America, now total 1953 inmates in the Maricopa County Sheriff’s jail system. That number represents 21 percent of the overall inmate population of men and women housed in the nation’s third largest jail system. Sheriff Joe Arpaio says that is just small part of the story about those incarcerated in his jails. He says that recent figures show that serious crime (class four felonies and above) are committed substantially by illegal aliens. During two recent surveys, between 27 and 53 percent of all suspects booked into the jail on serious felonies had immigration holds placed on them. The vast majority of those with holds were in the United States illegally. According to the Sheriff’s figures, illegal alien inmate population numbers have grown steadily in Arizona and other border states over the last several years. In March 2005, the illegal alien population in Arpaio’s jails totaled approximately 700. (Borderfire Report 2/28/07)

A new study shows one in five inmates in North Carolina metropolitan jails was not born in this country. The Sheriff’s Association believes a large number of those inmates are here illegally as well. (News 14 Carolina 2/21/07)

The conservative Federation for Immigration Reform contends that while illegal immigrants made up 3 percent of the total U.S. population in 2003 they made up 5 percent of the total prison population. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...legalsandcrime

Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population. The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. http://www.gopusa.com/news/2007/febr...s_report.shtml

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens. (The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave: City Journal, winter 2004)

One thing that is never even mentioned by the champions of the illegal aliens nor is factored into any crime studies is the fact that ALL illegal aliens have a 3 – 5 crimes committed head start on American citizens (see the 5 point list above).

Do you ever hear an acknowledgement from the illegal alien facilitators of the more than 50,000 Americans that have been killed by illegal aliens through murder, manslaughter and drunk driving just since 9/11/01? Of course not, that doesn't fit within their pre-determined conclusion that illegals are economically displaced hard workers and innocents who come to America for a better life.

Legalizing an illegal alien’s presence in America by rewarding their illegal behavior through amnesty is not the way to build a good system of law and order. It only invites more criminal activity and non-compliance with our laws.

The central question for everyone, including the facilitators, illegal alien advocates and the ‘no human being is illegal’ compassion crowd is this…Why should even ONE American suffer a crime OF ANY SORT at the hands of an illegal alien? With border security and zero tolerance for illegal immigration, these crimes against our citizens are 100% preventable.

Isn’t it about time that we engage in Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement rather than allow amnesty with Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Radar 04-25-2008 10:31 AM

Post a million articles. All of them are false. Each and every one of them is a lie spread by idiots and hate groups like Lou Dobbs, Bill O'Reilly, Save our State, the so-called Minuteman project, etc.

U.S. Code is irrelevant. The Constitution is the highest law in the land and it PROHIBITS the federal government from creating or enforcing immigration laws so the U.S. code dealing with immigration is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ILLEGAL.

Coming across the border without documentation IS NOT A CRIME. It's not a misdemeanor, it's not a felony, it's not even as much as jay walking.

Undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in America. They make up less than 3.5% of our jails and the "Center for immigration studies" is not well-respected and spreads lies.

All of the stats Bill 'O Reilly and these guys have repeated are bold-faced lies and O'Reilly himself got caught on his show spreading them and he tried to backpedal. Your laughably stupid claim that 95% of outstanding warrants for homicide in Los angeles are for undocumented immigrants is an outright lie. So are all the other stats you listed. There isn't one government source to back up any of it.

Undocumented immigrants don't come here for handouts and don't cost American tax payers a single cent, and anyone from any source that denies this is a liar.

lookout123 04-25-2008 10:51 AM

Radar, take a breath. Not everyone who disagrees with you is an inbred idiot. You have an interpretation of the constitution that you have built your whole view on. That's cool. But it isn't nearly as black and white as you like to believe. If it was you would find more people who agree with you. Your constitutional support for the argument is ambiguous at best. Saying it isn't over and over and calling the opposition stupid doesn't make it more black and white.

Urbane Guerrilla 04-25-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by binky (Post 448067)
Ahem. Take a pill, wouldja?

Uh, bink, that's what he sounds like when he's taken a Silly Pill. But yes, this site is well equipped with smilies. Though the Flying Spaghetti Monster's utility rather stretches the imagination until it's in danger of a sprain.

But to topic: there's very little the United States can do that will have any effect one way or another, by way of immigration laws. They aren't addressing the root of the problem, which is why it's not susceptible of solution by U.S. law. It won't be resolved until Mexico, and with it the rest of Central America, develops a strong, numerous middle class. Right now this clase media is barely visible under strong magnification, and it has to become visible to the naked eye.


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