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spudcon 06-02-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 458926)
no - people with guns kill people

People with cars, motorcycles, bombs and drugs kill people.

Radar 06-02-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 458926)
no - people with guns kill people

People kill. The weapon they happen to be using is irrelevant.

DanaC 06-03-2008 06:59 AM

Not really. Takes way more effort and skill to kill with a blade than with a gun. Much easier to kill accidentally with a gun as well.

classicman 06-03-2008 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spudcon (Post 458952)
People with cars, motorcycles, bombs and drugs kill people.

yes but all of those things (except Bombs????) were are created for a beneficial purpose - Guns are designed to kill. That is their purpose.
I am not trying to get into this again - I own several guns - all used for trap/skeet shooting & on rare occasions hunting . They are safely kept where there will be no accidents. My children do not have access to them.

I've heard all the arguments, but still have a difficult time with the "need" to make assault weapons, and to some extent hand guns, available to the general public.

TheMercenary 06-03-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 459086)
I've heard all the arguments, but still have a difficult time with the "need" to make assault weapons, and to some extent hand guns, available to the general public.

For me it just comes down to free choice. I have a number of "ugly guns", few people actually own true assault weapons. I collect military style arms from all eras because they are fun to shoot and collect. My main hunting rifle is a .303 Enfield. The only thing that is different is what they look like, not the round fired. To have a class 3 license, full auto rifle which technically is an assualt weapon, it is few and far between. We need to face the reality that guns are not going to go away and we need to find ways to enforce existing laws. I don't really want to restart this whole pissing contest again either. So I will just leave it at that.

Radar 06-03-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 459086)
yes but all of those things (except Bombs????) were are created for a beneficial purpose - Guns are designed to kill. That is their purpose.
I am not trying to get into this again - I own several guns - all used for trap/skeet shooting & on rare occasions hunting . They are safely kept where there will be no accidents. My children do not have access to them.

I've heard all the arguments, but still have a difficult time with the "need" to make assault weapons, and to some extent hand guns, available to the general public.

Guns were not designed to kill. They were designed to defend and hopefully eliminate the need to kill. But even if they were designed to kill, they were designed to kill for food first and why they were designed is irrelevant. Knives were designed to cut food, but how many people have been killed by them. Should we outlaw knives? More kids are killed playing high school football than die from accidental gun shootings (There really is no such thing as an accidental gun shooting. There is only the irresponsibility of not acting safely), so should we outlaw high school football? or swimming pools? or automobiles? All of these things kill more than guns.

The fact remains that gun ownership is an individual right and no level of government has any authority whatsoever to regulate their ownership anymore than government has the authority to tell you how you must cut your hair.

deadbeater 06-03-2008 10:06 PM

So we let guys like Seung-Hui Cho have weapons, right Radar? All the guns from others in school wouldn't help, as he killed his 32 commando style.

And you must have been friends with guys like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. You'd think they did a great job cleaning their guns before they did what they did.

classicman 06-04-2008 08:32 AM

Radar - Guns are designed for one purpose only - to kill. There is no discussion nor debate on that, so please don't even try.
Also, I never said that I didn't respect the right to own guns. I even said that
I own SEVERAL myself.

Sheldonrs 06-04-2008 08:38 AM

I say let people own as many guns as they want. They can even carry them around out in the open as far as I'm concerned.

However, I think the bullits should be outlawed.

Guns don't kill people; bullits do.

DanaC 06-04-2008 12:15 PM

Sheldon that's genius!

TheMercenary 06-04-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 459349)
I say let people own as many guns as they want. They can even carry them around out in the open as far as I'm concerned.

However, I think the bullits should be outlawed.

Guns don't kill people; bullits do.

Gun grabbers have already tried that. It didn't work.

Urbane Guerrilla 06-04-2008 11:48 PM

And too, if you harbor antigun opinions, you harbor pro-genocide opinions.

As you know, I don't. I think you shouldn't either.

DanaC 06-05-2008 06:06 AM

*blinks* in what way do anti-gun opinions equate to pro-genocide opinions?

TheMercenary 06-05-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 459626)
*blinks* in what way do anti-gun opinions equate to pro-genocide opinions?

Yea, I'm thinking that is a bit of a reach. But I know where you are going with it.

headsplice 06-05-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 459652)
Yea, I'm thinking that is a bit of a reach. But I know where you are going with it.

If you're unwilling to defend yourself, that means you're willing to let other people wipe out entire populations?
Shenannigans!


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