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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 566122)

I think Obama want to clean up this mess as expeditiously as possible.

Worse, we imprisioned hundreds who were not guilty. Now that we have created hundreds of enemies, and are not guilty, what happens to these people? Where do they go free?

Amazing how torture turns innocent people into good people.

Why would any nation want people now embedded with so much hate? We programmerd them. Where do we put them? In an open trial, they would have to go free.

Of some 400 innocent prisoners from Guantanamo, about 60 harbored so much hate of America and as to be easily recruited as soldiers against America. Every possible solution is negative. A tribute to the intelligence of people such as Condi Rice whose job was to avert such problems.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 566009)

Good - If done properly this is the best course of action - Try and convict if guilty then sentence or if innocent move on.

It will most likely be more complicated then that since many potentially innocent people have been imprisoned under much less then favorable conditions for almost ten years. I would not be surprised if some of them tried to get revenge.

This is a no-win situation and I don't see any other realistic option then what Obama is doing now. No other country wants to hold responsibility over them and letting them go freely is extremely dangerous for Obama since if any ex-Gitmo prisoner, innocent or not, is claimed responsible for an American death in the future, Obama is screwed.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 566122)

I think Obama want to clean up this mess as expeditiously as possible.

Agreed, but he is also figuring out that all the campaign promises to appease the voters and close the place is not as easy as he thought it would be. Of course I am sure that he knew that all along. :rolleyes:

Looks like a severe case of NIMBY.

Democrats won't fund Guantanamo closing for now
By ANDREW TAYLOR – 6 hours ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...d4c_wD989GJ781
So they bitched and complained for years and now they will not fund it. That is just rich.

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The public impression is that the debate over repatriating detainees has only just begun. In fact, the agreement with the Denmark was only one of many behind-the-scenes negotiations between U.S. officials and their foreign counterparts that have been going on since late 2002. That largely hidden chapter of diplomatic history—and the mixed results it yielded—illuminates the challenges Obama faces as he races to close Gitmo down. "Over five or six years, we had a multiple-ring circus of negotiations around the world that people really didn't know about," says John Bellinger, who helped spearhead those efforts, first at the National Security Council and later as legal adviser to then-secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. "I analogize it to the old duck metaphor: we were calm above the surface but furiously paddling our feet below the surface."

The paddling grew more furious with each passing year, as Guantánamo—and America's treatment of detainees in general—became an ever-expanding public-relations nightmare for the U.S. government. Concerns about what, precisely, would happen to the prisoners once they left Guantánamo gave way to a resolve to get them out, as quickly as they could. It was a mammoth diplomatic task: Prosper, the State Department's initial lead negotiator, spoke with diplomats from all of the 44 countries represented in Camp Delta save for Syria. The process, which under Bush resulted in the return of some 550 detainees, revealed the hard truth that the new administration now confronts: there is no good way out of Guantánamo.

I certainly never heard about any of this. It certainly makes one wonder why not.

Because Cheney decided it was none of your business, he was keeping America safe.

Actually Bruce - if that were true and done properly, which it apparently wasn't, I would have had absolutely no problem with it.

It's never done properly by egomaniacs with no oversight or accountability.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 571411)

Actually Bruce - if that were true and done properly, which it apparently wasn't, I would have had absolutely no problem with it.

It's Obama's problem now. He promised the electorate that it would be closed by the end of the year. I am holding him to that. If he can't it will go in his failure column.

Catching hold of the tail of a tiger is one thing ... letting go, now that's even trickier.

Show trials in NY

Lets just give them all more publicity now. Just as long as they are given all the rights of our citizens.

What do you propose we do with them then? Should we not try them?

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Originally Posted by whosonfirst (Post 572152)

Lets just give them all more publicity now. Just as long as they are given all the rights of our citizens.

And noncitizens.

Non-Citizens have no Rights under our Constitution.

Our Constitution applies to everything the US Government does. It recognizes rights that all people have.