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Undertoad 10-09-2011 02:47 PM

FYI he was on the Yemeni top-ten most wanted list and the Yemeni govt had attempted and failed to kill him via bombing.

So your next best answer is to have the Navy Seals go in under cover of night and kill him, instead of having drones do it. Just to be clear.

Lamplighter 10-09-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 761982)
FYI he was on the Yemeni top-ten most wanted list and the Yemeni govt had attempted and failed to kill him via bombing.

What the Yemeni's could / could not do is irrelevent

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So your next best answer is to have the Navy Seals go in under cover of night and kill him, instead of having drones do it. Just to be clear.
No... the methods make little, if any difference to the issue.
If it's to be the Navy Seals, their mission is to capture, not kill,
with as little collateral (American or Yemeni) damage as possible.

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from NY Times article: Details about Mr. Awlaki’s location surfaced about a month ago, American officials have said, but his hunters delayed the strike until he left a village and was on a road away from populated areas.
This doesn't sound like it was an impossible task.

TheMercenary 10-10-2011 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 761987)
If it's to be the Navy Seals, their mission is to capture, not kill,
with as little collateral (American or Yemeni) damage as possible.

Really? Who is to say? You know what their mission is?


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This doesn't sound like it was an impossible task.
Really? Again, how would you know?

I think they really just went to capture Bin Laden.... :rolleyes:

Not.

TheMercenary 10-10-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 761949)
By now, no Dwellar should doubt that I support Obama,
and disagree most of what Merc posts in his thread "Obamanation".

:lol: What the fuck does that have to do with this discussion?

Griff 10-10-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 760564)
One of the reasons I voted for Obama was that I felt it was vitally important for the other half of the country to see what would happen when a Democrat was reading the daily security briefing.

It must be noted that the briefing has been produced by the same bureaucracy, which bases its existence on certain assumptions about how America is to behave in the world.

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Now that both sides have been having their shot at the WoT, we all notice that some things have changed and some things haven't changed.
For clarity, am I right in assuming that by "both sides" you mean the Democrats and Republicans not pro-war/anti-war or interventionist/non- interventionist.

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The things that haven't changed, I for one feel more confident in.
I would attribute those same things to the momentum of massive bureaucracies.

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I believe that the War on Terror is still "on", even as it doesn't feel like it to us every day.

I also believe that the reason it doesn't feel like it to us every day is that the War on Terror is still "on".
The war is on and will stay on until we have a President willing to turn it off by admitting that we have lost Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Nobody will be willing to do that unless he can shift blame to a predecessor, since both parties are lashed to the same mast of this sinking ship, we get no policy change.

Undertoad 10-10-2011 10:51 AM

So now, under the Lamplighter administration, the Navy Seals have al-Awlaki, on a boat in the Arabian Sea, after one of his henchmen and one Navy Seal has been shot.

But you haven't said enough; it's far from over. What does the Lamplighter administration do with him now?

Lamplighter 10-10-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 762199)
So now, under the Lamplighter administration,
the Navy Seals have al-Awlaki, on a boat in the Arabian Sea,
after one of his henchmen and one Navy Seal has been shot.

But you haven't said enough; it's far from over.
What does the Lamplighter administration do with him now?

Find the nearest carrier at sea and bring al-Awlaki back to the US
so he can face trial as an American citizen;
and if convicted, and whatever penalty is ascribed by US laws.

Impossible ? no
Inconvenient ? maybe
High crime or misdemeanor ? no

classicman 10-10-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 762199)
What does the Lamplighter administration do with him now?

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762204)
Take him to Gitmo

Totally just kidding. I couldn't resist. :p::blush:;):eyebrow::neutral::eek::cool:

TheMercenary 10-10-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762204)
Find the nearest carrier at sea and bring al-Awlaki back to the US
so he can face trial as an American citizen;
and if convicted, and whatever penalty is ascribed by US laws.

Impossible ? no
Inconvenient ? maybe
High crime or misdemeanor ? no

Still you have no freaking clue.

"Find the nearest carrier"; Why? Do you know how much that costs for one dude? A Hellfire missle is so much cheaper. I thought you Liberals wanted to save money?

"Impossible, No."; And you would know this how?

"High crime or misdemeanor?"; That is not a level of assessment required.

He gave up his Rights when he joined the other side.

Here I am defending Obama, who'd-a-thunk-it?:p:

TheMercenary 10-10-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 762199)
So now, under the Lamplighter administration, the Navy Seals have al-Awlaki, on a boat in the Arabian Sea, after one of his henchmen and one Navy Seal has been shot.

But you haven't said enough; it's far from over. What does the Lamplighter administration do with him now?

Merc solution: Turn him into chum. Go fishing.

Lamplighter 10-10-2011 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 762293)
Still you have no freaking clue.

"Find the nearest carrier"; Why? Do you know how much that costs for one dude?
A Hellfire missle is so much cheaper. I thought you Liberals wanted to save money?

To put him on a ship (the Navy doesn't put aircraft on boats)
Besides, I wouldn't trust him to stay put in the saddle of a Hellfire


"Impossible, No."; And you would know this how?

I trust that paratroops are competent

"High crime or misdemeanor?"; That is not a level of assessment required.

It is for impeachment

He gave up his Rights when he joined the other side.

American citizens can not give up their rights - talk with Classic again


Here I am defending Obama, who'd-a-thunk-it?:p:

I knew there was good lurking in there somewhere ;)


TheMercenary 10-10-2011 03:49 PM

Posted by Lampster:
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"Find the nearest carrier"; Why? Do you know how much that costs for one dude?
A Hellfire missle is so much cheaper. I thought you Liberals wanted to save money?

To put him on a ship (the Navy doesn't put aircraft on boats)
Besides, I wouldn't trust him to stay put in the saddle of a Hellfire
Never said anything about boats, only the cost. Still not a good plan.

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"Impossible, No."; And you would know this how?

I trust that paratroops are competent
"Paratroops" are not Navy Seals. I was a paratrooper, although I was not a Navy Seal.... That is another story.

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"High crime or misdemeanor?"; That is not a level of assessment required.

It is for impeachment
That has nothing to do with killing an enemy combatant.

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He gave up his Rights when he joined the other side.

American citizens can not give up their rights - talk with Classic again
Most certainly they can. They day they rob a bank and point a gun at a cop and that cop kills them, they gave up their right.

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Here I am defending Obama, who'd-a-thunk-it?

I knew there was good lurking in there somewhere
President Zero Obama should be stopped via all legal means and we should ensure he is a one term president. :D

classicman 10-10-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762309)
American citizens can not give up their rights

wait what? I thought we covered this somewhere.... no?

Lamplighter 10-10-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 762316)
Posted by Lampster:
Never said anything about boats, only the cost. Still not a good plan.

It was UT's plan to use "boats"

"Paratroops" are not Navy Seals. I was a paratrooper, although I was not a Navy Seal.... That is another story.

I know, and I deliberately used "paratroops" with you in mind. ;)

That has nothing to do with killing an enemy combatant.

Again, it has to do with extra-legal killing an American citizen

Most certainly they can. They day they rob a bank and point a gun at a cop and that cop kills them, they gave up their right.

Sorry Merc, you need to read the earlier posts in this thread.

President Zero Obama should be stopped via all legal means and we should ensure he is a one term president. :D

There you go again.


TheMercenary 10-10-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762324)
Again, it has to do with extra-legal killing an American citizen. Sorry Merc, you need to read the earlier posts in this thread.

I have read them. The arguments have failed to convince me that you are correct. Apparently President Zero and his panel of legal experts agree with me.


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