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I want a bouncy ball revolution..

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Originally Posted by JBKlyde (Post 834548)

I want a bouncy ball revolution..

oooooookaaaay... but I urge caution.

Be careful, very, very careful about what you wish for.

Wish granted.

one bouncy ball revolution, coming up.

Did Romney just promise national health care?

I heard nothing of the sort.

Let's go to the ~~video tape~~ transcript.

Also here, but I only get as far as Romney's last answer. Where did you hear that? What kinds of words did you hear?

OK so like this.. take all the pressure you are having of "mY illogical nonsence"' and imagine a ballon.. now just let all the " my iloggical nonsence" be a warning of what "illigeal narcitics and cigeretts will do to you and let it go like the man in the moon...

I know it's just another fact checker's check mark against him, but I was surprised to hear Obama talk about getting more oil.

Sure, we're getting more oil - but that's on private land, not public land. On public land, Obama has sharply curtailed oil drilling.

This is the first time I've ever actually been ashamed of Obama. That lie is SO BIG, I don't see how it can be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 834566)

I know it's just another fact checker's check mark against him, but I was surprised to hear Obama talk about getting more oil.

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That lie is SO BIG, I don't see how it can be ignored.

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Sure, we're getting more oil -

Rearranged for clarity.

Obama says he's supported getting more oil, when in fact, he has opposed it in almost every possible way.

He's cut back so much on the drilling in the Alaskan OIL reserve, that the Alaskan pipeline oil is in danger of freezing up - barely enough hot oil flowing through it.

@Happy Monkey:

Is completely joining into that lie, OK with you? I'm not sure whether you're joking or not.

Since gasoline and diesel are close to double what they were under Bush, this IS an important issue for our economy - and immediately for our own fuel, as well as the price of all goods and services that must be transported.

The price of gas/diesel have more to do with futures speculators, than the supply of oil. The same is happening to food.
In CA it's the availability of finished product because big oil has cut refining capacity so close, there's no way to meet demand when a refinery goes down unexpectedly.

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 834556)

Did Romney just promise national health care?

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 834557)

I heard nothing of the sort.

I was joking. He was bragging on Romney care.

If people know where their own and the income of the richest Americans comes from Romney bombed that issue. He also had to support contraception, which his nutter base won't like.

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 834535)

"Concerted effort to find binders full of women..."

Please quit condescending to women...I. just don't think you get it.

Funny tweets during the debate (oh, and I called it! Knew the binder comment was going to get picked up and batted about!)

Elon James White -- I feel like Obama's staff stabbed him in the chest w/ the adrenaline needle from Pulp Fiction. THAT DUDE IS AWAKE! #twib2012 #debates

Samantha Bee -- When Obama is talking, Romney makes the same face my Catholic grandmother would make at a Wiccan wedding

Jordan Zakarin -- I agree with Romney that we really don't need another 'Fast and the Furious' sequel. Enough, Vin Diesel. Bipartisan consensus

Patton Oswalt -- "Binders Full of Women" is my favorite Motley Crue album. #debate

Adam Sternbergh -- "Binders full of women" is what they find in a serial killer's apartment.

Steve Agee -- Fonzie had binders full of women too. #debate #littleblackbook

Elise Foley -- Oh god, I just realized that now people will dress as binders for Halloween.

David Weinberger -- Well, there goes the gangbanger vote! Nice job, Mr. President! #debate

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/tech/s...html?hpt=hp_t2

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 834595)

... Romney bombed that issue. He also had to support contraception, which his nutter base won't like.

Look at Adak. He is willing to ignore the moderate stuff coming out of Romney's mouth because he's already bought into Romney. At this point, Romney can do or say basically anything and his nutter base will still support him.

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 834572)

I thought Obama's explanation of the public land leases was perfectly clear. Oil companies had leases on public land but weren't utilizing them. Obama's administration ended them so the land could be used now, not when the oil company felt like it/wanted to make the most profit.

NY Times fact checking:

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Oil and gas production on public lands has fluctuated during the Obama administration, but it has increased modestly (about 13 percent for oil and about 6 percent for gas) in the first three years of the Obama presidency, compared with the last three years of the administration of President George W. Bush, according to an analysis from the Energy Information Administration.

The Interior Department produced a report this year showing that drilling permits received and issued by the agency had indeed declined from the last years of the Bush administration to the first years of the Obama administration — but not by half. (In the 2007 fiscal year, the government issued 8,964 permits to drill on public lands; in 2008 the figure was 7,846. The numbers for 2009 and 2010 were 5,306 and 5,237.)

Mr. Obama said that 7,000 drilling permits had been granted but were not being used by oil companies, an accurate figure, according to the Interior Department.

Mr. Obama stated that renewable energy production had doubled during his presidency, which is true, and that oil imports were at their lowest level in 16 years, also accurate. He also said that the boom in natural gas production could produce 600,000 new jobs, a highly optimistic estimate, but he qualified it with the word “potentially.”

NY Time fact checking

Watched the first in its entirety, part of the second, part of the third.

Unimpressive: all.

Used car salesmen lookin' to move lemons.

What I want to see...

O and R (B and R) sitting across from one another, asking each other questions, no 'moderator', only a timekeeper.

Unscripted, un-governed, utterly spontaneous: let the chips fall...

The question I wanted to hear last night...

'Mr. President, nuthin' you've done over the past four years has significantly helped or hindered me, and, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) is liable to help or hinder me. Mr. Governor, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) will significantly help or hinder me, so, gentlemen, why should I vote for either of you?'

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 834609)

'Mr. President, nuthin' you've done over the past four years has significantly helped or hindered me, and, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) is liable to help or hinder me. Mr. Governor, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) will significantly help or hinder me, so, gentlemen, why should I vote for either of you?'

Dude. Dude.

You've made it very clear that you don't want to help anybody and you don't want help from anybody. That's what you're saying you've gotten / will get from both of these guys, not that I agree with your assessment. Flip a fricking coin, though I can't believe you vote at all, it doesn't fit your "independent" character.

My question would be:
The middle class has been sacrificing for the good of the country for the last 30 years. We've seen our real income decrease, government services cut, living expenses increase, and our jobs sent oversees. How are you going to reverse this trend?