The Cellar - Jan 19th, 2015: Vegan's Savior

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Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 920019)

I would not eat a taco that came with hairs attached.

How about a hotdog? :-)

Well, you need a few hairs on that to floss afterwards, right ;)

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 919958)

On an individual level, it's an entirely different story. I know what works best for my one body, personally, and I don't give a shit what vegans or bacon-lovers or anyone else thinks I "should" be eating.

Everybody is a little different outside the general stuff. I've noticed a relationship between sugar and inflammation for me. We're going to ease back into the dirty hippie foods and see if I can't dump some belly weight.

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Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 920118)

Well, you need a few hairs on that to floss afterwards, right ;)

Think of the time savings if you put tooth paste on it first.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 919958)

I find a very weird dissonance in people who talk about what we (as a whole) are "meant" to eat due to evolution, as if evolution is akin to predestiny. The whole point of evolution is that if we have to change due to our environment, then we (as a whole) can do that. By definition we (as a whole) don't have to do what our ancestors did--if our environment suddenly makes it so that nothing but meat is available to eat, then we'll eat that, a bunch of us will die, but the ones whose metabolisms can manage it, if only barely, will have babies who are better at it, and in a few thousand years we'll be like lions scoffing at how we were never "meant" to eat produce.

On an individual level, it's an entirely different story. I know what works best for my one body, personally, and I don't give a shit what vegans or bacon-lovers or anyone else thinks I "should" be eating.

I feel similarly. To me, it's more correct to think of it as hearing blueboy56's statement as "our ancestors were successful (at eating and living and reproducing) by eating meat; that worked for them and we have the same tools (teeth), so let's go with the same plan!". It's too simplistic. It reverses cause and effect, with regard to evolution (and never mind the vast generational timescales involved to produce different teeth in a population).

It only works as a rebuttal to any claims that we are not meant to eat meat.

If you take it further, and claim that we can, therefore we must, then it doesn't work.

It happens a lot in internet argument; an argument that only works as a response is erroneously used on its own.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 920338)

It happens a lot in internet argument; an argument that only works as a response is erroneously used on its own.

Does anyone argue about this stuff anywhere else?

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 920338)

If you take it further, and claim that we can, therefore we must, then it doesn't work.

Correct, however the claim that we can demonstrates we are omnivores. Therefore we get to choose... between being a Dietary/ovo-lacto/ethical/environmental vegan, or sweet, crispy, tasty, luscious bacon.

Yes glatt, lots of places.

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 920339)

Does anyone argue about this stuff anywhere else?

Before the internet, it was probably mostly one-on-one correspondence, or competing editorials in monthly journals. I would guess (but having no first-hand experience, I wouldn't claim) that the signal to noise ratio was a bit higher.

I'm sure every category of logical fallacy in today's arguments occurred plenty of times before the internet, but not in such volume.

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 920339)

Does anyone argue about this stuff anywhere else?

Yes, I suspect so.

In every dorm room on every college campus world-wide has had these discussions,
let alone the formal classes in philosophy, zoology, geology, sociology, law (e.g. Scopes trial),
and maybe more so in religious classes and classes about religion, and

... in my household around the "kitchen table", with each daughter as she passed the teeny-bopper stage.

Especially since it seems every new thing down the pike has been seized by a small percentage who are extremely militant about it. This is what created the standard saw about how do you know if someone is vegan? :rolleyes:

Seems to be an increase in aggressive people willing to go balls to the wall over trivial shit, maybe encouraged by the internet. Not that the internet is a bad thing, but it's allowed psychopaths who kept a low profile, to find kindred spirits to assure them they are not antisocial, the rest of society just can't handle the truth.

From a local bookstore flyer about upcoming events.

Wednesday: Vegan Survival Guide
Thursday: Mike Huckabee

Nothing could better encapsulate this city I live in.

Thursday ~ Vegan Survival Guide to Austin;
.................Tip # 1 ~ Don't come back on Friday. :haha: