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Pamela 12-14-2015 11:33 PM

He is not one of my favorite people, especially when he refers to transwomen as "mutilated men". However, he IS a major contributor to the National Review, News Machete and American Thinker.

All in all, I never pay attention to polls. They are too easily skewed and usually are wrong anyway. It's far too early to be calling the election, or eulogizing any candidates, IMHO

tw 12-15-2015 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pamela (Post 948491)
All in all, I never pay attention to polls. They are too easily skewed and usually are wrong anyway.

Polls are not wrong. Polls are completely right. Wrong are so many who have opinions. Will completely change their opinions only in months and then deny that had been so easily manipulated.

Are polls measuring the people's logical thoughts? Of course not. A majority of adults think like children - conclude only from their emotions. For the same reason a majority in all nations also knew, beyond doubt, that smoking cigarettes increased health. They knew only because advertising and hearsay so easily manipulated their feelings. Facts be damned.

Polls were also right: well over 60% of Americans knew beyond a doubt that smoking cigarettes increased health. The polls were not wrong. People were.

One need only watch how Joseph McCarthy, Adolph Hitler, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz all got power and supporters. None (in this post) are good or bad. They just are - nothing more.

Many supporters even say Trump is wrong - as demonstrated in that previously cited NPR focus group. And still highly approve of Trump only because Trump (and his lies) inspire emotion. Most adults want to feel - don't want to know. That is both how and why demagogues gain power.

Polls are not wrong. If anything is wrong, it is why some many people approve of inferior leaders. Polls only demonstrate the actual problem.

BigV 12-15-2015 11:01 PM

Watched as much of the Republican debate tonight that I could stomach.

Trump, really, motherfucker?

You think it's a good idea for America's security, to kill the family members of members of ISIS.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...amilies-216343

Griff 12-16-2015 06:09 AM

The sad thing is that Hillary and Rubio will look acceptable by comparison.

glatt 12-16-2015 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 948605)
You think it's a good idea for America's security, to kill the family members of members of ISIS.[/url]

Dude needs to watch Princess Bride again.

"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

classicman 12-16-2015 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 948615)
The sad thing is that Hillary and Rubio will look acceptable by comparison.

That is sad, truly sad. We are so screwed. America isn't special anymore, we've been transformed.

Big Sarge 12-20-2015 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 948605)
Watched as much of the Republican debate tonight that I could stomach.

Trump, really, motherfucker?

You think it's a good idea for America's security, to kill the family members of members of ISIS.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...amilies-216343

I truly hate to say it, but he is correct. ISIL has shown no compassion for non-combatants. It is time to return the favor. I don't want US troops on the ground. I strongly support carpet bombing as a way to destroy their rat lines and morale. Plus a strong cyber warfare campaign, would affect their credibility and recruiting

DanaC 12-20-2015 04:57 AM

Carpet bombing is all well and good, except ISIL have stationed themselves in amongst a pretty much captive civilian population.

Griff 12-20-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 948624)
That is sad, truly sad. We are so screwed. America isn't special anymore, we've been transformed.

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 949073)
I truly hate to say it, but he is correct. ISIL has shown no compassion for non-combatants. It is time to return the favor. I don't want US troops on the ground. I strongly support carpet bombing as a way to destroy their rat lines and morale. Plus a strong cyber warfare campaign, would affect their credibility and recruiting

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 949076)
Carpet bombing is all well and good, except ISIL have stationed themselves in amongst a pretty much captive civilian population.

Transformation complete.

Undertoad 12-20-2015 08:47 AM

i don't get it

Griff 12-20-2015 08:57 AM

Targeting relatives and bombing civilians are activities reserved for decidedly not special countries.

Undertoad 12-20-2015 09:04 AM

There's no transformation. We have to destroy the villages in order to save them.

Griff 12-20-2015 09:24 AM

Yeah, I guess we saved Dresden similarly.

Big Sarge 12-20-2015 03:29 PM

Carpet bomb them anyway and accept there will be civilian casualties. Precision strikes are not working and we are fast depleting our reserves of suitable munitions. The other choice is to send in 30-50,000 troops and be prepared to be there for years.

You have 2 options: Civilian casualties or US military casualties drug out for years. I believe President Truman had to make the same decision

DanaC 12-20-2015 04:27 PM

I'm sorry - I can't feel that casual about mass casualties. And that's what we're talking about if we go down the carpet bombing route. Thousands would die. And some variant of ISIL would reemerge in a new part of the region. Rinse and repeat.

My god, those poor people. They've been forced to live under these lunatics, and now the west is going to bomb them back to the stone age.

And as for this: 'You have 2 options: Civilian casualties or US military casualties drug out for years'. US soldiers sign up for that risk. Joe Raqqa and his wife and kids did not. And I get that each country's leaders have to think about their own people's safety first - but those US casualties drug out over years are unlikely to ever reach the heights that civilian casualties will reach in carpet bombing. So what we are saying there is that a few hundred US lives are worth tens of thousands of Syrian lives.

What is the end goal here? Is there one? Or is just that doing something is somuch better than doing nothing? Do we really think carpet bombing Raqqa is going to make us safe? Bullshit, is it.


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