Only if the Antichrist was supposed to be the essentially lobotmized pawn of those who aspired to be the Illuminati.

Actual famines are far less prevalant now than say 30 years ago. I don't have statistics to hand, but most of what happens in 'the third word' is a result of conflict, poverty or food shortages due to the rural poor choosing to plant cash crops, like coffee, tobacco instead of maize, sorghum etc in order to get enough money for food.

BZZZT! Wrong! Two beer penalty for you! The causes of famine are over population, natural disasters like drought, civil wars, poverty, and government incompetancy. From Wikipedia:

Modern famines have often occurred in nations that, as a whole, were not suffering a shortage of food. The largest famine ever (proportional to the affected population) was the Irish Potato Famine, which began in 1845 and occurred as food was being shipped from Ireland to England because the English could afford to pay higher prices. In a similar manner, the 1973 famine in Ethiopia was concentrated in the Wollo region, although food was being shipped out of Wollo to the capital city of Addis Ababa where it could command higher prices. In contrast, at the same time that the citizens of the dictatorships of Ethiopia and Sudan had massive famines in the late-1970s and early-1980s, the democracies of Botswana and Zimbabwe avoided them, despite having worse drops in national food production. This was possible through the simple step of creating short-term employment for the worst-affected groups, thus ensuring a minimal amount of income to buy food, for the duration of the localized food disruption and was taken under criticism from opposition political parties and intense media coverage.

Because herding and agriculture allow for greater population, both in numbers and in density, the failure of a harvest or the change in conditions, such as drought, can create a situation whereby large numbers of people live where the carrying capacity of the land has dropped radically. Famine is then associated primarily with subsistence agriculture, that is, where most farming is aimed at producing enough food energy to survive. The total absence of agriculture in an economically-strong area does not cause famine; Arizona and other wealthy regions import the vast majority of their food.

Disasters, whether natural or man-made, have been associated with conditions of famine ever since humankind has been keeping written records. The Torah describes how "seven lean years" consumed the seven fat years, and "plagues of locusts" could eat all of the available food stuffs. War, in particular, was associated with famine, particularly in those times and places where warfare included attacks on land, by burning fields, or on those who tilled the soil.

I think you misread me. My points were that:
1.Famines are less prevalant now than they were 30 or so years ago.
2.Food shortage was just one of the options I gave for reasons of crisis (I never said the causes of famine are as follows:) (I included conflict didn't I? And poverty?)

I agree with most of the Wikipedia posting (I don't completely trust wikipedia as a source usually). I fail to see where it contradicts what I said.

THIS is the part of your post I disagree with:

That aside, the "green revolution" has only encouraged the practice of what are, at best, dubious agricltural methods and has led to a further population boom in the third world which cannot be sustained over time.

I DO agree that Wikipedia is not the be all and end all of reference sources. ;)

Seriously, is all ^^^this^^^ helping you decide whether I'm a jerk or not?!

I dunno. Are you likely to dash out into the middle of the road in front of me as I come around a blind curve?

What we have here is the fine old Cellar Institution called thread drift. Threads here can meander along like the Mississippi River on a warm summer's day. They are as much about the journey as they are the destination.

Why? Do you want us to start calling you names again? TEXAN! :p

I would like a double beer penalty too.




please

I think that's assured.

Nah, but he's still an ass

damn flint, i was doing so well at hyjacking this thing and here you come back and remind them all. :p

deer
 

all of this deer-bashing has motivated me to sign up so that i can post. just remember that the deer were here first. we invaded their land the same way that we invaded the native americans land.

Welcome to the Cellar, brianchang. :D It would appear the other way around. They are trying to overrun us. But that's the way nature works, from microbes to men.

As if y'all invented the message board, and all it's universal qualities.

As if y'all invented the message board, and all it's universal qualities.

Well Our board is still around !!!!

Can't say the same for AG !!




( sorry , low blow )

Actually, AG is back up now.

And chock-full of fascinating reading material....

:lol2:

Wow. That subject seems rather familiar. Damn censorship advocates.

I checked out a handful of threads on that site. Based on that sample, we really are much better here.

AG's message board is still around. It needed a little breakie.

I see it as either one of the following two situations:

1) We were created by Jehovah God, who gave us absolute dominion over all the animals. Bang! Dinner!

2) We evolved side-by-side with the deer, and are therefore their contemporaries. This means that no one was anywhere before anyone else. What, do you think indigenous peoples didn't like a venison haunch every now and again?

Now, if one chooses to be fuzzy-squishy, and not kill or eat deer (etc), then great, that is an individual choice. However, I have to balk at the notion that those who choose to hunt and consume the critters are somehow *wrong*. Also, if we have allowed the population to get out of hand so that we can't help but run over them with our cars, we are also doing them a disservice, but I'm not volunteering to be the one to insert Depo subcutaneous devices to keep them from reproducing.

That damn thing needs SOMETHING! People spend years of their lives posting to THAT? WHAT-EVER! :eyebrow:

I could give a Cellarite a user name and they could see what they could do. :D

I would just like to point out that both boards have a thread about me on the first page! Yay me!

tis not just the posting. it is the intravenous feed from the damn place, the im's and the friends we have made for years that we visit.

All ya'all Celery's now have a thread at AG dedicated to you. :)

It's not the first time. ;)

That General discussion board is what is left of AG.
I've been there 7 years and only started posting on it the last 2.
AG began as a satelite music sharring community based on Groups.
Groups which are closed boards where there's an owner & operators.
The serious groups, usually based on specific artists, were of an intelectual level.
They have basically become a thing of the past, but for the majority of time AG was running, the closed groups were the thing.

tis the 1st one "I" made for ya. :p

Celery Thread

Since I've been peeking in now and then on the banter that was taking place sometime ago, I decided to look. A thread about The Cellar? Some actual discussion on a community from an outside perspective? I was curious! What I found some unrelated cut-n-paste novel followed up with these truly insightful replies:

At least one reply made sense. Not only that, but it mirrored the question I repeatedly asked myself as I thumbed through the neighboring posts:

Errrr... yeah. I assume the long cut and paste was supposed to be a spoof of some sort? I didn't bother reading through it all. Like Kitsune, I found the replies to be quite enlightening, however. Thanks for the peek inside AG. I guess. :eyebrow:

ah.. I thought you meant Larry Flint... the porn guy.

That's because you'd made up your mind before you went. You should read the whole post. :eyebrow:

:)

tis one of the best stories i have heard. the animation, and delivery of the story in the film is worth the watch, worth a trip to the store or online to purchase.

I have children so it is a 10 in my book for them. it is along the lines of "Snowman" in quality of content. :D


and yes mari, in a way it is a "spoof" i posted it as a joke for all ya'all. ;)

as a matter of fact.... i think i will look for it now, have a sit spell and watch it. tis cold and windy out at the moment. perfect to watch The Man Who Planted Trees.

I'm sure it was very enlightening, Bruce. Alas, I only have so much time between packing breaks and my eyes began to glaze over when I saw the length of it. I'll take your word that it was a very deep and worthy post, and that the comments which followed after it were in no way a reflection on the OP's true brilliance. :neutral:

i don't have time to read most long posts either and surely not one THAT long.

get the dvd :) I am going to order the dvd since i have looked high and low for our video and can not locate it any where :(

I have still yet to unpack everything from our move. sure, i can find nearly every other video and dvd we own but not the one I WANT RIGHT NOW!!

after i buy the dvd i will find it. we are on vacation next week and i am sure we will find many things we have not even missed. garage sale time it is. :)

DVD, or any of the other mediums, can't compare to the written word, for me.
They'll never match my sweet imagination, I think it goes. ;)

I like the relaxing vibe of the animation and Christopher Plummer delivers a soothing read. :)



"The rich language of French author Jean Giono combines with the breathtaking artistry of illustrator/animator Frederic Back to tell this triumphant tale in which one man's indomitable spirit transforms a desolate land into a thriving garden of trees. Back's delicate pastels sweep readers into the solitary world of Elzeard Bouffier, a world in which one individual, undeterred by great wars and other setbacks, and without thought of reward, makes a significant difference. The Man Who Planted Trees is an inspiring parable for all ages.



Other Credits:

Societe Radio-Canada/DBD
Directed by Frederic Back
From the story by Jean Giono
French Version Narrated by Pilippe
Noiret
English Version Narrated by Christopher Plummer
Original music by Normand Roger
Executive Producer: Hubert Tison

Academy Award, Best Animated Short
Best of Festival 1989, American Film & Video Festival"
http://www.directcinema.com/images/dvd_cover.jpg

ROTFL! You're closer with that than Flint will likely admit! :lol:

Better be .50 BMG for your Barrett...some of us AGers know our ordnance and others have developed rhino-skin from our years in the unmoderated trenches of AG...

...a few of us even have a :eek: sense of humour!

Better be .50 BMG for your Barrett..

Puny .50 BMG ,
try this on for size ,
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm
Caliber(s): 15.2mm Steyr APFSDS
Operation: long recoil, semi-automatic
Barrel: 1200 mm
Weight: 18 kg
Length: 1800 mm
Feed Mechanism: 5 rounds detachable box mag.

IWS 2000 is wery formidable weapon. It fires 20 gramm (308 grains) tungsten dart (fleschette) with muzzle velocity of 1450 meters per second (4750 fps). At 1000 meters this projectile will penetrate a 40 mm of RHA (rollded homogenous steel armour) and will result in serious secondary fragmentation effect behind the armour. That said, it will penetrate two walls of any modern APC at one kilometer range. The trajectory is very flat and does not rise higher than 800 mm above the line of sight when fired to 1000 meters. The cartridge is of somewhat original design, and has plastic case with steel head and base. The projectile is concealed within a plastic sabot.

Yes, and it's quite impressive indeed but at 15.2mm it's not going to be civilian-legal under BATF so for most folks the 'puny' ;) .50 BMG Barrett is the best they can do.

FYRE knows all!

does fyre know me lurves him?? ;)

so, i looked on AG for posts by Flint.....cuz i just re read this thread...not because im some kind of bored stalker or something.


and there are none.


Flint has been assimilated. Let's get stevebsjb back now. he was funny too.

I express my weepy repentance
as a blood-caked boot in your face
Submit to my will, alien board
I plant my flag in thee,
my bitch, my lowly dog, Cellar

Have you been eating the dog's food again! You know there's something in that stuff that makes you crazy; but, you continue to do it anyway don't you? :eyebrow:

It has never been about size, it is about shot placement.

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/unca...44zsniper1.jpg