Which is what happened when Rumsfeld was removed and when generals got their independence from a White House political agenda.

Meanwhile, what Yon has posted is also what O'Hanlon and Pollack stated in a 'White House promoted' commentary and what Petraeus was saying. It does not mean "Mission Accomplished" is being won. Concepts behind what each is saying discussed in this post in Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone.

Nothing even in Yon's report says anything about winning the war. Only a fool who did not learn from Nam would make that assumption. Even Petraeus was saying that repeatedly. He can win the battles but he cannot win the war.

Meanwhile troops are now doing some nation building in a country where one in three is now destitute - in need of welfare – during a time when George Jr said we were winning. So what did we win?

All the oil & natural gas in Western company's hands.

Good point and worth repeating. At no point did Yon say we were winning this war. He reports successes and failures as he sees them, nothing more.

My opinion... only the Iraqis can win or lose this war.

Here is another guy that had some positive things to say about whats happening in Iraq. I know nothing about him other than what is here.

The battalion I’m embedded with here in Baghdad hasn’t suffered a single casualty – not even one soldier wounded – since they arrived in the Red Zone in January. The surge in this part of the city could not possibly be going better than it already is. Most of Graya’at’s insurgents and terrorists who haven’t yet fled are either captured, dormant, or dead.
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“Because they’re MAMs who are driving,” he said. “We’re going easy on everyone else. We’ve already oppressed these people enough. They have a night culture in the summer, so if they aren’t military aged males driving cars we leave them alone. We were very heavy-handed in 2003. Now we’re trying to move forward together. At least 90 percent of them are normal fun-loving people.”
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“Most of what we’re doing doesn’t get reported in the media,” he said. “We’re not fighting a war here anymore, not in this area. We’ve moved way beyond that stage. We built a soccer field for the kids, bought all kinds of equipment, bought them school books and even chalk. Soon we’re installing 1,500 solar street lamps so they have light at night and can take some of the load off the power grid. The media only covers the gruesome stuff. We go to the sheiks and say hey man, what kind of projects do you want in this area? They give us a list and we submit the paperwork. When the projects get approved, we give them the money and help them buy stuff.”

Not everything they do is humanitarian work, unless you consider counter-terrorism humanitarian work. In my view, you should. Few Westerners think of personal security as a human right, but if you show up in Baghdad I’ll bet you will. Personal security may, in fact, be the most important human right. Without it the others mean little. People aren’t free if they have to hide.

There is a ton more -

Good link, thanks.

Good article and, once again, a completely different perspective about the situation in Iraq.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle18120.htm


08/05/07 "Washington Post" -- -- -When will I die? That's the question circling in my head when I awake on Wednesday. I'm sweating, as usual. My muscles ache from another long night of no electricity in weather only slightly cooler than hell. As I dress for work, other questions assail me: How will I die? Will it be a shot in the head? Will I be blown to pieces? Or be seized at a police checkpoint because of my sect, then tortured and killed and thrown out on the sidewalk?

I gaze at my wife as she sleeps, her face twisted in discomfort from the heat. What will happen to her if I die? Soon she'll have no one in Iraq but me. Will she be able to identify my body? Will I get a proper burial?

I'm a dentist in my mid-20s, married to an aspiring dentist. My father is a prominent orthopedist who fled Iraq after being threatened by both Sunni radicals in al-Qaeda in Iraq (which wanted to recruit him and extorted money for his life when he refused) and Shiite ones in Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army (because he is a Sunni). My father-in-law, who works in the oil ministry, has also been menaced; he will leave the country at the end of this month.

In fact, my wife and I left Iraq in July 2006 and went to Jordan. But I wasn't able to find any work there, so we came back to Baghdad. Now we live here as quietly as possible, keeping a low profile. I don't use my family name anymore. (And I am not using my full name for this piece.)

I walk to my job at a government clinic 15 minutes from my home at the intersection of a Sunni and a Shiite neighborhood. We've had lots of bombings nearby. On my way, I see the hulks of burned-out cars. Barbed wire and concrete blocks line the streets. The ground is strewn with bullet casings. Death is in the air. A car passes me slowly in an alley, my heart beats rapidly and I pray that I won't be kidnapped or asked what sect I belong to.

At the clinic's gate, I greet the guards. (I'm afraid of them; they might be members of a militia. Here in Baghdad, everyone's suspect until proven otherwise.) I sign in and get the bad news: The diesel generator is almost out of fuel. We have enough for about one more day, and my boss thinks it could be a month or longer before the ministry of health will provide us any more.

How can we treat our patients? I ask angrily. My boss shrugs. We were already short of supplies. I feel bad for the patients, some of whom are really in pain, so I work as fast as I can. The clinic is open from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., and we have five dentists and three chairs. Normally, we can take 15 patients a day, but on this day, I treat eight myself.


* * *

I'm proud of my work today as I head home, where, as usual, there is no electricity.

In my neighborhood (and most of Baghdad), we depend on ourselves for power. In most places, there's someone who owns a large generator and sells other residents eight hours of electricity a day. I pay $120 a month for that service. For an additional three hours a day, I use my home generator. That costs me about $150 a month because fuel here is so expensive. We have to wait six to eight hours in line to get any at the gas stations, which close at 6 or 7 p.m. The curfew starts at 11 p.m., so many people sleep in their cars until the stations reopen in the morning. This farce has created a booming black market in which fuel sells for double its official price.

Over lunch, my wife, who has just finished the final exams for her last year of dental school, tells me how scared, bored and hopeless she feels. How long will we stay in Iraq? she asks me. Until one of us dies?

If we leave again, I want to go to a country where we might have a future. I want children, but I promised myself that I wouldn't have any as long as I'm living in Iraq. My children don't deserve to be born in this country. I won't make the mistake my parents made.

Later that day, we go shopping for food. This is the only entertainment we have in our lives, apart from the Internet. It's so hot. I wish I could go out in shorts. But the militias don't allow it. It's too much to ask in Iraq. It's too much to ask to be able to wear a goatee or a gold necklace. It's too much to ask to drive my BMW because I could be killed for it. There's too much that's too much to ask for in Baghdad.

We have fun at the market, but on the way back, a pickup truck drives by with a dead body in the back.


* * *

On Thursday before dawn, an explosion rocks our house. I lie in bed, unable to get back to sleep, until it's time to get up for work.

When I arrive at the clinic, my fellow dentists are sitting on chairs in the yard. That means we are out of diesel. We'll have four hours with nothing to do (because we're required to stay at work even if we can't do any work), so I join them. The talk turns to the situation in Baghdad and the U.S. presence here.

"As soon as the Americans leave Iraq, Iranian jets will be over Baghdad bombarding every neighborhood that is not loyal to them, whether Shiite or Sunni," one of the doctors says. I offer my opinion: "The U.S. should stay, because it's not just Iran or neighboring countries that we have to fear. The Iraqi National Guard and the police are also our enemies now."

In contrast, many uneducated or less educated Iraqis think that the U.S. military is at the root of every problem. They believe that if the Americans leave, there will be peace. I agree, up to a point, that U.S. troops are responsible for some of the trouble we have, but I don't blame them. I blame the Iraqis who let this happen, who enjoy destruction and death -- the sectarian government and the militias. They are the real cause of this tragedy.

We talk about the insurgents and the militias, both Sunni and Shiite, and about sectarian violence, which is skyrocketing. So are civilian casualties and the government's lies, which are supposed to convince the world that it's doing its job, that it's winning victories against terrorism and that the terrorists are fleeing Iraq. Aren't they ashamed of themselves? The only ones fleeing Iraq are good, honest Iraqis.

"What do the insurgents want?" another doctor asks. "What have they achieved after all those explosions and all those people dead?"

They have achieved nothing that a sane person would consider an achievement, I respond. They've made the country impossible to live in; they've terrorized people, killed Americans, made us afraid to leave our homes. They've taken control of neighborhoods after the people who lived there fled for their lives. All of this is an achievement to them, but not to a sane person like you or me. They have been brainwashed by fanatical religious clerics; they have been tempted by the money that flows from Iran and other countries or that they get from kidnapping and crime.

In the end, we all agree: The only losers are honest, patriotic Iraqi people. For them, democracy, liberation and freedom are just myths. All we want is to live a normal life.

When I get back from work, my wife and I take a taxi to Adhamiya, the district where my father-in-law lives. We normally spend Thursday and Friday with him. The driver, as usual, is afraid to enter the neighborhood, so he leaves us at the gate in Antar Square and we walk from there.

As we make our way to my father-in-law's house, a confrontation starts behind us. We dash into an alley. I relive in my mind what happened the previous week: A sniper from the Iraqi National Guard shot at us and forced us to cower in a ruined building for what seemed like hours. It was on the same street, the only open road that leads to Adhamiya. People call it the "street of death."

We finally make it to my father-in-law's. After dinner, we decide to sleep upstairs, but just as my head hits the pillow, there's an explosion in front of the house, followed by gunfire all around. We rush downstairs, where it's safer, and sleep on the floor. We spend another day full of nonstop explosions and gunfire at my father-in-law's before heading back home at noon on Saturday.


* * *

Sunday is a beautiful day. My wife and I make popcorn, sip cola and watch the Iraqi national soccer team beat Saudi Arabia 1 to 0 in the final for the Asian Cup. My neighborhood erupts in celebratory gunfire. Why don't the shooters think about where their bullets might go when they hit the ground? Two people are killed and six are wounded from falling rounds.

After the shooting stops, I head out to buy cigarettes. I am amazed by what I see. There's unity at last. People stream from Adhamiya and al-Saab and al-Kahira and meet at the al-Nidaa mosque intersection. They are celebrating on the same spot where on other days confrontations erupt, blood flows and people die. An Iraqi National Guard convoys rolls through, with soldiers dancing on top of the Humvees. I laugh out loud and feel safe for the first time since returning to Iraq.

I hurry home to get my wife and the digital camera. We head out to Palestine Street to watch the crowd and snap pictures. Then my wife gets an uneasy look on her face. All these people, she says, might attract a suicide bomber. We go home.

On the news that night: 16 people dead and 66 injured in Zaiona; 10 dead and an unknown number injured in Mansor. They were innocents celebrating the victory of their soccer team. Can't they give us one happy day? Is that too much to ask? May God have mercy on their souls.


* * *

The next day, dozens more die across my country. This has become normal. We're used to it. Iraqi lives are worth nothing; we're just numbers in the news. In the past, Iraqis would wear black to mourn a young man for many years. They would cry forever. But not anymore. Now we bury in the morning and forget by the evening.

On Tuesday, my wife gets her grades from dental school. She has done well. I am so happy that I vow to confront terrorism and live a normal life for one day. I decide to drive my own car and take my wife to a nice lunch at the only good restaurant left in Baghdad. I leave work early, head home and remove the cover from my car for the first time in a year. And with it, I remove my fear.

Oh, how I've missed my BMW. When I tell my wife that we're taking the car, she is afraid, but I convince her that nothing will happen. It's just one day, I say. For once, we'll live like normal people. I drive to the restaurant and feel so happy -- and fearful at the same time. But we arrive safely, although I'm stopped at a police checkpoint and asked about my sect. Normally, they just ask where you live or where you're heading, which are also clues, but this time they ask me directly. I have to lie, but luckily I have a neutral name that isn't obviously either Sunni or Shiite.

We have a wonderful time at lunch. But much later, after I finally go to bed at 3 a.m., after the neighborhood generator stops, the eternal questions start up again. Will it ever end? When will I die?

Hopefully soon ...

Bread and a Circus

And a bit more, from January this year.

Ripped dripping from elsewhere on Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler:

So, who's which?

They sell T-shirts too. Among other things, one of them quips:

"Fun Facts About Terrorists: . . . They enjoy blowing themselves up. We enjoy blowing them up. You'd think we'd get along better."

The Turning Tide In Iraq

“The only thing this surge will accomplish is a surge of more death and destruction.” That was the prediction of blogger and anti-war activist Arianna Huffington back in December of last year — one month before the Senate unanimously confirmed Gen. David Petraeus as commander in Iraq.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything.” That was the judgment of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in April — two months before the reinforcements General Petraeus needed to fully implement his new “surge” strategy had arrived in Iraq.

In mid-June, just as troop strength was reaching the level needed to carry out the revised mission, Senator Reid added: “As many had foreseen, the escalation has failed to produce the intended results."

But now those intended results are being seen — as even some critics of the war, to their credit, are acknowledging. “More American troops have brought more peace to more parts of Iraq. I think that’s a fact,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told reporters.
“My sense is that the tactical momentum is there with the troops,” Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., said to PBS’s Charlie Rose.

The debate over the war in Iraq is shifting, though more slowly than is the war in Iraq, thanks to a well-funded and determined anti-war movement and too many in the media for whom good news is no news.

Al-Qaeda faces rebellion from the ranks
Sickened by the group’s barbarity, Iraqi insurgents are giving information to coalition forces

See what happens when you get too big of a head...

It explodes.


Very good news for both American soldiers and just as importantly, the Iraqi people.

The mainstream media and the democratic party seem eerily quiet since some positive things seem to be happening. Rather sad.

That's why I haven't voted for a Democratic candidate since sometime-I-can't-remember in the last century: no visible interest in the Republic's interest, which is a hell of a goddam note during a shooting war.

Out of interest Yesman: what do you consider 'mainstream' media? which outlets have been disturbingly quiet? Do you have an example of a non-mainstream media?

Well I guess that is logical.

The media that reaches the vast majority of the population - the big three TV networks and the largest newspapers like those owned by the Gannett Company, Inc.

Smaller independent outlets - cable news, independent internet outlets and the like.

I'm sure they will all report the helicopter crash that happened yesterday though which killed 14 servicemen, and they should, but they seem more focused on the negativities of the situation to drive ratings and revenues.

From ABC News of 22 Aug 2007: An AP(?) report details the irony in George Jr's latest speech. The Kansas City speech was a change in George Jr's rhetoric. Previously, he complained that Iraq had not even passed legislation to share oil wealth with the provinces. That the government had met almost none of the objectives demanded by the American government. Suddenly George Jr is claiming that the oil wealth is being shared despite no legislation. That they have made all these accomplishments. Whereas George Jr seriously tempered his support for Maliki while in Canada, the speech next day in Kansas City included an endorsement of Maliki.

Why the conflicting message? Implied is infighting or indecision within a White House that is usually careful to restrict all access to thoughts inside that administration. When asked about what appeared to be diminished support for Maliki (from that article), "National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe told reporters that Bush continued to have confidence in the prime minister and that his level of support had not changed."

The fact that George Jr is now trying to compare Iraq to Vietnam is, well, how many here so often denied that relationship: Deja vue Nam. Both wars were created by lies, fought without a strategic objective, and had no exit strategy defined by that strategic objective.

Just another example of seeing the school bus OR worrying about all school buses (which was the point in that post). Whereas Yesman065 sees accomplishment in skirmishes, the strategic objective is clearly not being achieved as more participation in the Maliki government is withdrawing, as the conflict moves into new provinces, and as refugees are now leaving the country in same numbers - something estimated to exceed 50,000 every month - not including an increasing number of refugees in other parts of Iraq.

Reporters note the surprise, contradiction, and political dangers of comparing an American defeat in Vietnam with Iraq.

Have you answered the questions
put to YOU?
Unlike an ASSHOLE
who only claims, TW, to have not insulted, yet when shown he has, still ignores the reality of that which has been proven repeatedly.

This is a really weird thing for a supporter of Caesar to say. Yes, the Democrats lied about pulling us out of this nightmare, but to imply that Caesar supports the Republic is just nuts.

Ugh, this is why I hate both sides.

"It is perfectly right to treat Timothy McVeigh with Martin Luther King" said piercehawkeye45 of the cellar. "They both have been to jail."

Both did not go to jail due to a heinous crime. To go to war, the 'crime' must be so heinous as to justify war. Whereas WWII, Korea, Afghanistan, and Desert Storm did qualify as heinous, neither Nam nor "Mission Accomplished" did. Whereas WWII, et al created war without lies, both Nam and "Mission Accomplished" were both justified by outright and contemptuous lies.

As even noted by Sze Tsu 500 years before Christ, war first must be justified by something so contemptuous - the smoking gun. Going to jail means nothing without including underlying reasons why. Going to war must be justified by the same underlying facts – the reasons ‘whys’. Niether Nam nor “Mission Accomplished” comes even close to being justified by a smoking gun. The first reason why those wars could not be won is found in no smoking gun.

The first reasons why King was not sentenced to death is also found in the same reasons why he was jailed. There was no heinous crime. There was not even a felony.

Yes, but to pull out because of that reason alone is very foolish. Yet, I guess it is where your priorities lie.

Yon, on Anbar, talks perspectives. Winning the hearts and minds of businessmen with greed, is probably a better bet than preaching democracy.

More realistic eitherway.

I seek to understand and adopt the Republic's interest, so only in that sense is it "my" interest. It's in the Republic's interest to win her wars, especially with Gap-nation nondemocracies (an essential reason they are in the listing of Barnettian Gap nations), and particularly in the interest of spreading any possible shades of democracy throughout the globe. Instantaneous conversion from bad government to good government isn't at all likely, so opening wedges and the salami method must be employed, and planned for.

Calling GWB a Caesar does violence to an accurate understanding of both, Griff. Kindly do not indulge in unbalanced partisan hysterics if you want me to take you seriously as a thinker. He thinks more as a libertarian than you're willing to give him credit for, so remove the blinkers. I mean, visibly do so, don't just claim you did and continue as blindly as before: to endeavor by all means to shrink the world's trouble spots -- the countries and regions in the Gap -- is not unlibertarian at its root, however busy this may be in intervention in affairs outside our borders. Call it anti-isolationism if you like. You know I regard isolationism as a nonstarter and you know why I say so. The worldwide economic and cultural connectivity of globalism make this course of action inevitable and its advance inescapable. A question for this America, this quintessential global economic Core nation, is whether we ride this advance to greater success and general worldwide wealth creation, or whether we screw up and cede this position to somebody of greater ambition or hunger, in the New Core -- mostly Russia, China, and India.

Your mistake is in believing that militarism supports our being an economic core nation. One example is the erosion of our lock on international students in our university system. Students who come to America become business partners with Americans when they return to their home country. Our position in the world has deteriorated to the point that international students are looking elsewhere, because we now approach the world paradoxically, our minds are isolated but our weapons are everywhere.

That is a great line.

Yon forgot one important fact. Had Petraeus not taken command, then his military career was done. IOW he repeatedly made the point. He cannot win this war. He can only achieve tactical victories and only in limited locations. Petraeus had a choice. End his carrer. Or declare up front that he could not win this war so that he only accomplished every limited objective.

Wars are not won on the battlefield as the 'big dic' types believe. Wars are settled politically. This war cannot be won when those who must do the poltiical settlement are not able or do not want to.

Petraeus said this up front before he took command. Those who see the bigger picture understood this. Those who see in terms of tactical objectives - the mistake of Nam - associate security around Baghdad as strategic victory. You can see here many who cannot see the bigger picture. They proclaim the surge is working when even everyone knows the strategic objective is being lost. Some here did not grasp what Petraeus was warning long ago. Iraq is slowly being lost as Petraeus cautioned. Sen Warner - a long time military man - accurate said the same thing. We are not winning - while achieving every tactical objective.

Petraeus had no choice. Take command or terminate his military carrer. That's how it works when one is a general. Yon forgot to mention that part.

Not all returning Generals retire.