Your reasoning also proves that prohibition failed only because we did not enforce the laws. Reality - the only problem was the law.

What happens if we successfully enforce current immigration laws? Economic damage to America. It is already ongoing in the Silicon Valley where not enough immigrants (legal and illegal) can be obtained. Many of those who demand more immigration enforcement are also the reason why we need more immigrants. Those many did not bother to get better educated. As a result, we need more immigrants.

The solution advocated by those many? More of what did not work for prohibition.

What happens where immigration laws are more strongly enforced? As demonstrated in Nebraska and the northern dairy regions of NY State - the economy turned down so greatly that business owners even asked immigration enforcement agents to leave.

How to solve the immigration problem? Increase immigration visa numbers from a few hundred thousand to the millions we need to keep America productive.

None of the undocumented immigrants is defrauding the state or co-workers, or the country. The American government on the other hand is defrauding the American people, the immigrants who come here with or without papers, and countries all over the world.

The American government is exercising powers it does not legitimately have. It is writing and enforcing laws that are a direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.

In this case, the criminal act is on the part of the government violating the Constitution and illegally deporting people. You are a complete idiot who knows nothing whatsoever about the Constitution or what it means to be an American. You just run your mouth off about shit you have no clue about and make outrageous claims that you can't back up.

Deporting undocumented immigrants from America is a criminal act no matter how you slice it. They are not violating any legitimate laws by coming here, and are forced into using someone else's social security number to get work. They are still paying income taxes (another illegal part of government) and are paying billions more than they use in services. If the government commits a criminal act against someone, they have a take whatever steps they must to defend against that illegal action. For instance, if the government sends people to my house to take my guns away from me, I have the right to kill those who come to do it. Normally killing another person is wrong, but if they are violating my rights, it's no longer a crime. If the government is violating the rights of undocumented immigrants, preventing them from getting legal identification, preventing them from working without that documentation, illegally deporting people, etc. these people are within their rights to avoid such illegal action on the part of the government by putting someone else's number on their paperwork. The fault lies with the government, not with these people and only an idiot would even hint otherwise. This of course includes you.


I could say the same thing about you. You support fraud, violence, and treason on the part of the government. You support illegal laws and illegal organizations to enforce them. You're not only an insane asshole, but a pathetic moron too.


You are correct. I have absolutely no problem in violating illegal laws that the government has absolutely zero authority to create or enforce. But it is you who are "out there". I'm right here with the founders of America who prohibited the federal government from creating or enforcing immigration laws. I've just got common sense, education, reason, logic, the founders, and the U.S. Constitution on my side and you've got a bunch of redneck, racist, dickheads on yours.



They tried to melt your brain, but there was nothing to melt.

Most do not. And those that do, don't do it for long.

TW is correct. If we simply did the right thing and allowed a free flow of immigrants to come here as easily as the Irish, German, Dutch, French, English, Italian, etc. immigrants did...(just show up, sign your name, and make sure you don't have small pox) We wouldn't have any immigrants sneaking over the border. They'd walk right through the front door, get legal id's, get auto insurance, use their own social security numbers, and pay even more taxes.

The only thing preventing these people from using their own social security numbers or getting legal identification are the same idiots who complain about them not having any. They demand that government not allow them to get ID, but at the same time whine when they use someone else's.

Since the American government continues to do this, it is self evident that you are impotent to do anything significant about it. You've effectively been reduced to complaining in an internet forum.

Does this mean that undocumented immigrants have the right to kill U.S. citizens sent by the American government to deport them? It would make a fine loophole for terrorists.

Does something's not being illegal always mean that a right exists? Even if it is not illegal for undocumented immigrants to be here, does that mean they have a right to these things? What about the convention of public policy (e.g. there are no laws preventing females from serving in front line ground combat units; however, it has been public policy not to put them there)? Where in the Constitution are those rights of undocumented immigrants specifically enumerated?

That's not a problem, the problem is with extending your position to undocumented immigrants; because, there is no reasonable expectation that they know the basics of the U.S. Constitution and laws derived thereof which are current citizenship requirements. Additionally, there's more to any country than its Constitution (or other) and its body of laws. When someone gives overwhelming weight to just one aspect of a self governing body and prognosticates doomsday if there's any deviation, it is seen as fanaticism by many. Bad things could happen; but, as any psychologist can tell you, past human behavior is not necessarily a reliable indicator of future human behavior.

That my friend is why I relegate you to the category of For Entertainment Use Only even though you are very knowledgeable on the Constitution and I have learned from you. Thanks for sharing. :)

Hardly. I live near the border. I could help bring people here. I can make sure I hire them when I get a chance. I can call or write my legislature. I can continue a campaign of educating ignorant people about the fact that the U.S. Government has no authority over immigration. This is a very divisive issue and I'm on the right side of it.

Immigrants are not terrorists. If the government suddenly made a law that said all children under the age of 10 had to be turned into soilent green, and government people showed up at my door to collect my daughter, I'd be within my rights to kill those people. Government has no legitimate powers that each of us as individuals don't have to grant to it. Even then, government only has the specific powers that have been explicitly granted to it by the people. The federal government has not been given any power over immigration.

When government steps out of line and uses powers not granted to it, or when it works against the rights of people rather than defending them, we have a right to destroy that government by force and to replace it with one that respects our rights and doesn't step beyond the limitations on its powers.

Our rights don't come from government.

Every human being is born with the right to work for anyone willing to hire them, and every business owner has the right to hire whomever they choose. The government, on the other hand, has no authority to deport people, to require identification to work, to tax income, etc.

That is a flawed policy. The government has no legitimate authority to create a draft, and since we are all supposed to be equal under the law, anyone who serves (straight, gay, male, female, catholic, jew, muslim, etc.) should have an equal chance of serving on the front line.

[quote=NoBoxes;449736]Where in the Constitution are those rights of undocumented immigrants specifically enumerated?

Rights don't have to be enumerated. That's what it says in the 9th amendment. Governmental powers must be enumerated. That's what it says in the 10th.


The federal government has the authority to create laws pertaining to citizenship, but not immigration. Most of the undocumented immigrants don't want to become citizens. They want to come to America, work to send money home, and then retire back home. There are no requirements about knowing the Constitution for immigrants, but they are still protected by it, and so are all people living within the borders of the United States of America regardless of their citizenship. Unfortunately, there are no requirements for American born citizens to understand the Constitution either. This is why so many are clueless about it and think the government has unlimited powers.

People are self governing bodies. The Constitution isn't everything, but it is the HIGHEST LAW IN THE LAND. It supersedes all other laws, courts, congress, the president, etc. These aren't the words of a fanatic. They are factual and reasonable.

Your opinion of me is just that...yours. You have every right to it. I'd be willing to bet most people don't find me as entertaining as you. Most people are probably bothered by me or aggravated by me. But then again most people are assholes so I wear their hatred as a badge of honor.

That looks fun. Let's give it a try.

Top 10 Immigration Myths and Facts
National Immigration Forum

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MYTH #1 - Immigrants don't pay taxes

FACT - All immigrants pay taxes, whether income, property, sales, or other. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes.

Even undocumented immigrants pay income taxes, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.

SOURCE - National Academy of Sciences, Cato Institute, Urban Institute, Social Security Administration

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MYTH #2 - Immigrants come here to take welfare*

FACT - Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members. Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population (11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S., unless the "study" was undertaken by an anti-immigrant group. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.

SOURCE - American Immigration Lawyers Association, Urban Institute

* Due to welfare reform, legal immigrants are severely restricted from accessing public benefits, and undocumented immigrants are even further precluded from anything other than emergency services. Anti-immigrant groups skew these figures by including programs used by U.S. citizen children of immigrants in their definition of immigrant welfare use, among other tactics.

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MYTH #3 - Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries

FACT - In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.

SOURCE - Cato Institute, Inter-American Development Bank

Side Note: When people in other countries have money, they can afford to buy American made products, or to travel to America as a tourist to spend more money here.

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MYTH #4 - Immigrants take jobs and opportunity away from Americans

FACT - The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses, we have countless examples: in Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000.

SOURCE - Brookings Institution

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MYTH #5 - Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. economy

FACT - During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they aretransplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.

SOURCE - National Academy of Sciences, Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University, Federal Reserve

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MYTH #6 - Immigrants don't want to learn English or become Americans

FACT - Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply. Greater than 33% of immigrants are naturalized citizens; given increased immigration in the 1990s, this figure will rise as more legal permanent residents become eligible for naturalization in the coming years. The number of immigrants naturalizing spiked sharply after two events: enactment of immigration and welfare reform laws in 1996, and the terrorist attacks in 2001.

SOURCE - U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services)

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MYTH #7 - Today's immigrants are different than those of 100 years ago

FACT - The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.

SOURCE - U.S. Census Bureau

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MYTH #8 - Most immigrants cross the border illegally

FACT - Around 75% have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (nonimmigrant) visas.

SOURCE - INS Statistical Yearbook

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MYTH #9 - Weak U.S. border enforcement has lead to high undocumented immigration

FACT - From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased sixfold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million—despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs available to them, have created this current conundrum.

SOURCE - Cato Institute

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MYTH #10 - The war on terrorism can be won through immigration restrictions

FACT - No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks—instead, they key is good use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.

SOURCE - Newspaper articles, various security experts, and think tanks

Anyone who has not been accused of being an asshole, stand up.

Thought so. Radar is right. Everyone is an asshole.

But he only said most.

I'm sure there are some genuinely super terrific uber-nice people who never get pissed. I've just never met one yet.

Radar you are one wacked out mofo.

This country will never be right until we get a handle on all these illegal aliens who have invaded our country and continue to drain our social services.

This is the most comical thread going right now and neither of you are even trying

Fortunately we are studying assholes and nobody is passing gas.

When the smoking lamp gets lit, then run.

And again, illegal immigrants don't create any of this.

The country would be a lot closer to being right if we abolished all federal immigration laws which are 100% unconstitutional and the organization that illegally enforce those illegal laws. It would be a lot closer to being right if we kept the undocumented immigrants and got rid of scumbags like you.

Guarding our border from illegal aliens.
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The guy in that photo couldn't guard his depends underwear from being soiled twice a day.

Target practice!!!

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Civilians have set up sensors and cameras at locations along the U.S./Mexican border to capture illegals and contraband—every day—as it comes across the border. This photo was taken January 17, 2007 and "netted" 23 illegals and 150 pounds of contraband, probably drugs.


The American Patrol (www.americanpatrol.com) is a handful of citizens dedicating their lives to protecting the southern border. They have even placed cameras and censors near the border to catch illegals entering the country. It is estimated that between 15 and 40 million illegals are in the U.S. Three million are expected to arrive this year—and the U.S. government has made no plans to address what a reasonable person would infer is a dire threat to national security. The U.S. government is, however, imprisoning border patrol agents who attempt to prevent illegals from entering.

The Bush plan for illegal immigration: Imprison those trying to stop it

It gets a little overwhelming when you realize that, when you count the different ways the American people are under attack from their own government, it is all of them—including the very lines that define our national boundaries are under attack. The truth has been best stated by Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO): The Democrats want millions of Mexicans so they can buy their votes with entitlement programs; the Republicans want millions of Mexicans for the cheap labor. Then Walter Burien comes along and says, "Qualify the motive—it’s the money." To the leaders in government and industry who have promoted this migratory disaster and all the people who have been "just doing their jobs," there is no conscious, long-range plan to enslave mankind, its just the money. How pathetic.

Take all the photos you want. Just don't let me catch you, or anyone of the other scumbags in American Patrol, Minuteman Project, Save our State, or any of the other Nazi and racist infested hate groups do anything to physically stop them or I'll be there to defend them with force...and by force I mean deadly force.

Tom Tancredo is an idiot and so is Steve King and Lou Dobbs. It's no wonder you like them. They speak at a level 'tards like you can understand.

Except for when an illegal alien does something really horrific, such as when illegal aliens killed Denver Police Officer Don Young and Los Angeles County Deputy David March, or when one dragged his girlfriend to death behind his car, we rarely hear about the crime being committed specifically by illegal aliens.

There are a number of reasons why. A large part of the reason is that the overwhelming majority of the MSM generally believe that illegal immigration is a "victimless crime" and, as such, it is not worthy to do any real reporting on. Some more is due to the fact that illegal aliens are often silent on family violence and afraid to report crime within their communities leaving much of the crime totally unreported. It is also due to the fact that the MSM rarely make any distinction between crimes committed by US citizen perpetrators and illegal alien perpetrators. In fact, they seem to go out of their way to not let us know. Then too, the FBI and Justice Dept. just don't track it.

As much as I do not like siding with the MSM, in their defense, establishing the residency of a perpetrator often takes much longer and with the ever decreasing news cycles there is just no time to check and get it confirmed. The end result is that most crimes being committed by illegal aliens are simply not reported as being committed by an illegal alien because by the time the perpetrator's residency is actually identified it is usually "old news." However, that does not excuse the MSM from reporting the facts in high profile cases where there are numerous follow-on stories. Nor does it excuse them from doing investigative reporting on the collective number of crimes being committed.

While the murders of Officer Young and Deputy March and the recent horrific dragging death were national news, few know about illegal alien Cornelio Rivera Zamites molesting and then strangling to death four year old Esmerelda Nava. Yet such horrible things are fairly common and are happening more and more frequently.

the rest of the story:
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impac...ion_crime.html

You couldn't get out of a paper bag.:rolleyes:

Hard numbers: Illegal alien drunk drivers in North Carolina
michellemalkin.com ^ | April 19, 2008 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2008 4:30:35 PM by Free ThinkerNY

Hard numbers: Illegal alien drunk drivers in North Carolina

By Michelle Malkin • April 19, 2008

WRAL reports on a new statistical breakdown of illegal alien drunk drivers in North Carolina. It’s a blood-pressure-raising look at the deadly revolving door, catch-and-release, the deportation abyss, and the danger of sanctuary policies embraced by those sworn to defend and protect the public:

Seven-year-old Marcus Lassiter won’t see his eighth birthday. George Smith was on his morning commute to Duke University but never made it to work. Betty Coates might struggle with daily tasks for the rest of her life.

Johnston County Sheriff Steve Bizzell sees a pattern among the cases of these victims of drunken driving: Each accused driver was in the United States illegally.

Bizzell pointed to Hipolito Hernandez, an illegal immigrant who faces second-degree murder charges in the hit-and-run that killed Marcus last Sunday.

“This case here is a prime example of the justice system letting the people down,” Bizzell said.

Nearly 300 illegal immigrants were convicted on driving-while-impaired charges and placed in North Carolina prisons in 2007.

Hispanics also account for 18 percent of drunken-driving arrests, while making up less than 7 percent of the state’s population, according to a study from the University of North Carolina Highway Safety Research Center aired in WRAL’s documentary “Focal Point: Crossing the Line.”

The study also showed that Hispanics involved in car crashes were 2.5 times more likely to be drunk than white drivers and three times more likely to be drunk than black drivers.

In the three cases listed above, each of the accused drunken drivers had extensive contact with the judicial system – but had managed to elude the immigration system until these incidents.

Johnston County is lucky to have a law enforcement leader who refuses to capitulate to open-borders hectoring and propaganda. He gets it:

Latino advocacy groups often urge the public to step back from the emotion over immigration and focus on the individual crimes.

Advocates admit that drunk driving is a problem within the Hispanic community and have aired public-service ads to combat the problem.

Drunk driving is also the No. 1 killer of young Hispanic men, according to the UNC study.

Bizzell said the tragedy is that deaths such as Marcus’ and debilitating injuries such as Coates’ are preventable.

“This isn’t about race. This isn’t about Mexico versus the United States,” Bizzell said. “It’s about a drunk Mexican that’s illegal, driving drunk, no operator’s license, stolen vehicle, killing a little 7-year-old boy.”

None of them is an illegal immigrant, but even if they were, their immigration status has nothing to do with any drunk driving or other crimes. Would it make you feel better if the drunk drivers were citizens?

Undocumented immigrants are more than 4 times less likely to commit any crimes than American citizens.

I asked the Miami Police Department’s spokesman, Detective Delrish Moss, about his employer’s policy on lawbreaking illegals. In September, the force arrested a Honduran visa violator for seven vicious rapes. The previous year, Miami cops had had the suspect in custody for lewd and lascivious molestation, without checking his immigration status. Had they done so, they would have discovered his visa overstay, a deportable offense, and so could have forestalled the rapes. “We have shied away from unnecessary involvement dealing with immigration issues,” explains Moss, choosing his words carefully, “because of our large immigrant population.”

Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples:

• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.

The rest of the story:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

A great link you all can read about illegal aliens screwing this country:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

Illegal Aliens' Unstoppable
Third World Crime Wave In US
By Frosty Wooldridge
2-1-4


Last summer, in Boulder, Colorado, eight illegal aliens raped eight American women. The aliens fled back to Mexico. One was caught. In a nearby city of Longmont, a used car dealer was driven out of business because he suffered so much theft from his lot that he bankrupted. An illegal alien killed a California cop, John Marsh, last year. Robberies and break-ins have become the norm in California. They've become the pattern in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and dozens of other states. But the sobering realities concerning these crimes point to one fact--they are illegal aliens. They are importing themselves into this country with a vengeance. They are deadly, pernicious and organized. They represent the worst of what is common in the Third World.

In her recent scathing report, 'THE ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIME WAVE' by brilliant investigative reporter, Heather MacDonald, our country is being assaulted by a crime wave that grows steadily and viciously.

A full 95% of all outstanding warrants for homicide, which totaled 1,500 last year in Los Angeles, pointed to illegal aliens. Soberingly, two thirds of all fugitive felony warrants, totaling a horrifying 17,000, were for illegal aliens. To make matters worse, in 1995 a report showed that 60% of the 20,000-strong 18th Street gang in southern California was composed of illegal aliens. That gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia on drug distribution schemes, extortion and drive-by assassinations. They commit assault and robberies every day of the week. A night of crime to them is like a day of work for American citizens.

How did it come about and why is it spreading? In 1979, Los Angeles Police Department Chief Daryl Gates enacted Special Order 40. Astoundingly, as if insanity took the front row seat in their minds, leaders of dozens of cities from San Francisco to Miami and New York City adopted this special order. This law prohibits police officers from arresting illegal aliens. In reality, it?s a carte blanche invitation for crime to grow in our country, putting citizens at risk for their lives.

"If I see a deportee from the Mara Salvatrucha prison in El Salvador crossing the street in LA, I can't touch him," said a Los Angeles police officer. "I can't arrest him for an immigration felony."

Boulder, Colorado practices the same 'sanctuary' policy for illegal aliens. The mayor of the city openly encourages illegal aliens by making sure the police chief does not arrest illegals. Some of Boulder's immigration lawyers were so bold as to offer publicly announced classes for illegal aliens on how to avoid arrest, detention and deportation by immigration agents. The result in that town shows a tripling of the illegal alien population as well as jobs taken away from citizens and the eight violent rapes.

Not far away in Denver last week, an illegal alien, Javier Cruz-Caballero, purposely ran down police officer, Robert Bryant, while the officer operated a radar gun in a school walk zone. Witnesses saw the Mexican national rev up his engine while taking dead-aim at the officer. Bryant flew 30 feet through the air while suffering a broken leg and head lacerations. He could have easily been killed.

At a greater level, New York's Mayor Bloomberg supports illegal alien crime by maintaining a 'sanctuary policy' in that city. Last year, four illegals raped and killed a New York jogger. That crime was one of thousands of crimes committed by illegal aliens who are protected from the law. But more horrific in impact of this loss of the rule-of-law, former Mayor Guiliana practiced Special Order 40. Several illegal aliens protected by the Order participated in 9/11. The death toll reached 2,800, but the impact on our nation reverberates today. Yet, Special Order 40 continues full force in protecting the estimated 10 million illegal aliens in our country.

However, thousands of them are killing, raping, robbing and driving illegally in our country. Over 400,000 deportees continue walking around free in our country. The ones that commit crimes and are caught make up a full 29% of our prison populations. They cost American taxpayers nearly $1 billion annually to feed, house and care for them in our prisons. And, yet, Special Order 40, continues as if it was a fig leaf for welcoming hardened alien criminals.

These examples of illegal immigrant crime depict a growing menace to our functioning society. While a sleepy American public watches idly and a Congress refuses to enforce our borders while mayors adopt the 'sanctuary policy', we citizens receive an average of 2,200 illegals every 24 hours, seven days a week, 365 days per year. Since the Amnesty policy was announced, the invasion intensifies with greater numbers.

Where does that leave you? If you're in California, you're planning on moving to Idaho or Montana because it's already too late. With over 3.5 million illegals, the crime wave is beyond stopping. If you're in Georgia, you're probably stewing under your breath, but you don't have a clue that it's going to get worse. In Chicago, they either take jobs or rob banks or set up drug, prostitution and theft rings. If you're in Florida, it is no longer an American city. Houston is just as bad. It grows worse in every city in America.

It's called THIRD WORLD MOMENTUM.

The key is to understand that in the Third World--corruption, crime, child prostitution, bashing in peoples' heads, torture and worse is the NORM. Why? Because the rule-of-law no longer applies. Today, in America, concerning illegal immigration, our public officials who were sworn to uphold the Constitution have abstained from their oaths of office. We're forced NOT to talk about it via being politically correct, yet we are the victims of our own silence. Because the American public still hasn't figured this crisis out or keeps thinking it will go away on its own.IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE and you or your loved ones will become victims given enough time. With Special Order 40 in your city, another 9/11 can't be far off!

Source: Heather MacDonald, City Journal, published by the Manhattan Institute, January 15, 2004, THE ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIME WAVE.

Frosty Wooldridge (frostyw@juno.com), (www.frostywooldridge.com) is a teacher and author who has bicycled 100,000 miles on six continents to see overpopulation up close and ugly. Next book: 'INCURSION INTO AMERICA: IMMIGRATION'S UNARMED INVASION - DEADLY CONSEQUENCES' If you have been affected by illegal immigration, write as much of your story as you like and submit it to the author for inclusion into the book. All names and places will remain private.

http://www.rense.com/general48/comp.htm

100% of those so-called statistics is false. It makes sense that you'd quote them since you're a dishonest prick who is so stupid he couldn't find his ass with both hands and a map. I pity gutless, brainless, pussies who don't know shit about freedom, who aren't patriotic, and who are pussies and internet trolls. Your sad little life is so empty, you post lies and stupidity in an effort to get a rise out of me.

I don't get mad. I just post the truth and invite you to come to L.A. to talk your shit.

UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT 35

Failed run on Luberwacko ticket????

The beauty of the internet is I can post the facts about illegal immigration all the way to LA and never have to leave home!!! :lol2:

The beauty of the internet is that even insane whackos and jackasses like you are free to post all the disinformation, propaganda, and lies you want about so-called illegal immigration which gives me the chance to prove how stupid you are, and to set the facts straight.

Illegal alien rapists.

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/...81a85c515e.jpg

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http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?m=20071212

Looks like your racist propaganda photos are on a site that doesn't like hotlinking.

Some really cool T-shirts:

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=2185

Great set of links about illegal immigration as well:

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=1998

But Paully I can see them just fine.

FTR.

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by Matthew Quirk

How to Grow a Gang

With anti-immigrant sentiment rising, mass deportation is making a comeback. During fiscal 2006 and 2007, the number of deportation proceedings jumped from 64,000 to 164,000. This fiscal year, it is expected to hit 200,000, an all-time high.

Latino gang members have been targeted for particularly aggressive action. Since 2005, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) dragnets have swept up more than 6,000 suspected gangsters. From 2005 to 2007, arrests—usually preludes to deportation—increased more than fivefold.

The United States has been down this road before; the mid-1990s saw a similar wave of criminal deportations. That one helped turn a small gang from Los Angeles, Mara Salvatrucha (better known as MS-13), into an international menace and what Customs and Border Protection now calls America’s “most dangerous gang.” It’s not clear that this one will turn out much better.

MS-13 formed in the Rampart area of Los Angeles in 1988 or 1989. A civil war in El Salvador had displaced a fifth of that country’s population, and a small number of the roughly 300,000 Salvadorans living in L.A. banded together to form the gang. But MS-13 didn’t really take off until several years later, in El Salvador, after the U.S. adopted a get-tough policy on crime and immigration and began deporting first thousands, and then tens of thousands, of Central Americans each year, including many gang members.

Introduced into war-ravaged El Salvador, the gang spread quickly among demobilized soldiers and a younger generation accustomed to violence. Many deportees who had been only loosely affiliated with MS-13 in the U.S. became hard-core members after being stranded in a country they did not know, with only other gang members to rely on. As the gang proliferated and El Salvador tried to crack down on it, some deportees began finding their way back into the U.S.—in many cases bringing other, newly recruited gangsters with them. Deportation, incubation, and return: it’s a cycle we’ve been caught in ever since.

Today, MS-13 has perhaps 6,000 to 10,000 members in the United States. It has grown moderately in recent years and now has a presence in 43 states (up from 32 in 2003 and 15 in 1996). Most members of the gang are foreign-born. Since 2005, ICE has arrested about 2,000 of them; 13 percent have been deported before.

Salvadoran police report that 90 percent of deported gang members return to the U.S. After several spins through the deportation-and-return cycle, MS-13 members now control many of the “coyote” services that bring aliens up from Central America. Deportation—a free trip south—can be quite profitable for those gang members who bring others back with them upon their return.

The surge in arrests and deportations in the past three years coincides with a serious U.S. effort to improve coordination with Central American governments—the better to track gang members wherever they go. But states like El Salvador have a lot to keep track of these days. MS-13 and other gangs born in the United States now have 70,000 to 100,000 members in Central America, concentrated mostly in El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. The murder rate in each of these countries is now higher than that of Colombia, long the murder capital of Latin America.

Meanwhile, the U.S. continues to repeat the mistakes it made in the ’90s. Most ICE arrests have been for immigration-related offenses, not criminal offenses. Suspected “associates” are lumped in with gang members, which only reinforces gang ties; with dabblers and minor offenders, experts agree that anti-gang intervention programs are better at preventing gangs’ growth. For hard-core gang members, quickie deportations on immigration charges are often no more than short-term fixes; lengthy American prison sentences would be more effective.

Only the U.S. has the law-enforcement personnel, the criminal-justice system, and the money to deal with the problem. Although the idea is poison in the current political climate, the way to get rid of these gangs, paradoxically, may involve keeping them here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/world-in-numbers

Radar is losing it, big-time.
 

Well, let's see now... Radar's losing his argument on this thread and the Hillary v. McCain thread and in both he's offering to try and win with his fists.

Damn, what an evidence of a vauntedly superior mind.:rolleyes:

Paul, you're going to have to accept that other people get it right, and for the right reasons. Failure to do so is immature and beneath you. At least it should be.

First, I've never been remotely near losing any argument to you in any thread ever. Next, I didn't offer to try to win an argument with my fists. I invited you to prove your point where you accused me of being a "pussy".

I do accept that other people get things right and for the right reasons. None of the people who get things right support federal immigration laws or the unconstitutional organizations who enforce them.

Yeah? Then how about you start sounding like you do?

And you did offer to win the argument by beating up Merc. That is plain to any objective reader of those threads.

Radar, since the Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional, as the constitution gave the federal government no authority to purchase land, it would seem that by your argument the Unites States does not extend west of the Mississippi. Please discuss.

The Louisiana Purchase was indeed unconstitutional. If we hadn't made that purchase, we could have avoided the civil war. Also, we wouldn't have so many rednecks fucking up our elections. Even though I loved Jefferson, he was wrong to use government money to purchase this land....despite it being a really good deal.

They'd have been better off as a different country. My guess is by now, if we hadn't have purchased the land, it would still belong to America because France would have been lost in WWII. After Germany lost, we'd have gotten that land.

We wanted New Orleans, and those cheese eating surrender monkeys would have handed it over to us when (not if) we attempted to take it by force - but they probably would not have given us the rest of the territory. Who knows for sure how that would have affected us later as far as allegiences, but I doubt we'd have beaten Germany under a confederacy with fewer resources...

Regardless, the purchase was unconstitutional so it simply does not exist right? Just like immigration laws.

Let's also not forget that constitutionally, Texas is still an independent republic.

Now that is some funny shit. What a fucking idiot. Yea, you tell that to all the people West of the Mississippi. In this case you should give up your house and all your belongings to some illegal alien family. What a bunch of convoluted thinking. You have no idea what would have happened if we had not purchased the land.

With you in Georgia, I can be certain America would be better off if all of the Louisiana Purchase were another country.

Ok.

Then that would put you in another country right?

That would put me in the United States of America, and him in redneck bible-thumping, anti-evolution, global warming denying, racist, sister-fucking, land. That's sort of a long name. Maybe they could just call themselves The Confederate States of America.

... or call you an a-hole, but that wouldn't be nice now would it? And what would it accomplish?

Awww, it looks like the poor little fella got his feelings hurt. Maybe your sister can kiss it all better for ya.

nope, Honestly radar - you don't mean enough to to me for my feelings to be hurt by you. As usual, you missed the point.

Well you can't be talking about me.

I was born in the Northern states.

I don't go to church or read the bible, never did.

I fully support evolution.

Global warming? it's a toss. Maybe.

My sister is dead.

I am no more a racist than you are anti-white.

But you are a cocksucker.:D

Note: the "location" I have specified.

IMDB page for C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America.

San Francisco: Sanctuary City Gone Awry

well, just don't forget they contribute billions more than they take.:right:

I never do forget that. It's an indisputable fact.

Wow, for an indisputable fact it sure is open to a lot of debate and analysis. There are quite a few studies on each side of the issue.