Glad to hear he's doing well.

Hey merc, can you confirm/deny that the swine flu vaccine is using squalene as an adjuvant? Thanks in advance...

You can do your own research:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Sounds like a sensationalized blame game to me.

Since I got 6 of the shots before they were given to the troops at large I would call bull shit on it. But hey, I am just one person.

I never got GWS.

But wait. I never went to the First Gulf War. So is it only the people who got the shots and then were deployed? or did you have to get the shots only if you were deployed? and so if people who got the vaccine and did not deploy never got the disease, how would you account for that?

Yes, I can. I thought maybe you'd know though. Not interested in opinion...

TIWGTGWS? (thought I was going to gulf war syndrome)

All I can tell you is that every person who got it, in my experience, about 20 people or so, were deployed. We all got the same vaccines. About 40 who never deployed to the Gulf. None of us who did not deploy got the disease. Among the other, they got it in some degree, some much worse than others. Some were medically boarded from the Army because of it, others carried on. All of them were exposed to the areas that had either chemical weapons burning or the burning oil fields. That is the extent of my experience.

No conclusive studies have shown that people who got the vaccine got GWS who did not also deploy, which blows the theory out of the water that it was only vaccine related.

I am not willing to jump on “your band wagon”.

I don't think you understood my question...

Good info. ( re: the link )

I do worry about vaccine.

They say people that have asthma or other lung conditions should get the shot. However I seem to have a better physical constitution for eliminating these things out of my body naturally. ( 99.9% of the time )

A couple years ago my bronchitis would not go away. I think I coughed for a year. My doctor would not give me antibiotics because I didn't have a fever. ( I never run fevers )

When I went to the pulmonologist he thought I had something serious because I could barely move the spirograph but the image tests were clear. He gave me antibiotics and an inhailer and I was healed after awhile.


Usually things don't hang on to me like that. I don't know where the asthma thing came from or why it developed after getting bronchitis twice.
I don't use the inhailer now.

SO they say people with lung problems SHOULD get the vaccine. I keep wondering if a past lung problem means me. The biggest part of me tells me NOT to get the shot. If I didn't die then I probably won't die this time.

I keep running this stuff through my head.
sorry for all that...it just spilled out

I haven't ever had a flu shot, and I don't intend to get one for swine flu either. I am of the belief that you're probably better off without it, but it's a personal health choice. If others want to do it, it's up to them.

New-age Vaccine Adjuvants: Friend or Foe?

More about Squalene oil.

Squalene oil is used in vaccines
According to Matsumoto, today, “Squalene adjuvants are a key ingredient in a whole new generation of vaccines intended for mass immunization around the globe. Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow - it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain.” When injected in the body, the immune system attacks it as an enemy to be eliminated. Eating and digesting squalene isn’t a problem. But injecting it “galvanize(s) the immune system into attacking it, which can produce self-destructive cross reactions against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body - and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system.” Once self-destruction begins, it doesn’t stop as the body keeps making the molecule that the immune system is trained to attack and destroy,
It is a dangerous additive and should be banned

Here are some up to date statistics, but they are all about South Australia.

We have had 6842 confirmed cases of H1N1 2009 influenza A (sounds much more scientific when I say it that way, doesn't it?) AKA swine flu.

There have been 12 people who have died with the disease. However, at least nine of involved "significant" other health problems - bone cancer, emphysema, etc.

6842 / 12 = 570.

That is a one in 570 chance of dying from swine flu, if you get it. That's 0.175%. That is less than the usual 0.2% for regular seasonal flu.

Of course, if you are fit and healthy, it might be more accurate to say 6842 / 3 (three otherwise healthy people died) = 2280.

One in 2,280 chance for a healthy person to die from swine flu if they get it. That is 0.04% chance.

Presumably, there have been quite a few people who had swine flu but were never tested. So if that 6,842 is actually, I dunno, 10,000 ... fuckit.

I will still be washing my hands before eating, and if I get sick I will visit the doctor, but I'd do that anyway.

As you were.

Sounds like just more media hype - scare tactics too.
Who "profits" from this? Thats what I want to know.

The pharmaceutical companies that produce the vaccine.

And the people that get paid to distribute them.

Eh? What's this mean?
WHO

Sounds like they are filling their, Just In Case arsenal. :confused:

Sure, gotta get ready for horse flu, and gecko flu, and capybara flu...

....shark flu

or is it.....

I was listening to a radio show today....The host was saying that through "herding instinct" the herd will get vaccinated and leave everyone else to die. A new social class will develop that has been vaccinated vs the ones who have not.

I thought that was utter bullshit.

I saw that movie too, Cic! I think it sucked IIRC.

Well, as reported here, it is BS. Notice: " ... leave everyone else to die" ... new social classes ... have Vs Have Not vaccinated...

The premise was that all nonvaccinated die, wasn't it?

But apart from that, there is some thought that we should not allow unvaccinated kids into schools because of the risk they pose to the too-young-to-vaccinate siblings of their classmates. That *could* lead to social segregation.

So when the world mimics The Stand, which side will you be on? I want to be on the side that Gary Sinise is on, 'cause he was hawt in that movie!

192 hospitalizations and 5 deaths in Georgia.

120 people got it at the Minnesota state fair yesterday....

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/251761/

Article says 120 were sent home because they were in the same dorm as a handful who got it. It does not say 120 people got the flu.

My son's doctor warned me that another of his patients, who lives in Killeen, Texas, told him they were starting a swine flu vaccination program in the school building next week. Not without parental notification/permission (which is how she knew it was happening) but nonetheless, they're starting to inject some kids already. Make sure you know what your school's plan is.

Symptoms.

I have been thinking to get the Pneumovax vaccine even before the swine flu scare began. I ran across this article this morning. Even though I am not into the flu vaccines I am highly considering this one. It lasts for 10 years and since the deaths from the swine flu are pneumonia related I thought is might be a good alternative.

http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...,6872284.story


http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html

Avoid Flu Shots, Take Vitamin D Instead

by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

Two-thirds of the vaccines made for the 2008–09 flu season, 100 million of them, contain full-dose thimerosal, an organomercury compound, which is 49% mercury by weight.:eek: (well I knew there was mercury in them but I didn't realize how much!)

There is some evidence that flu shots cause Alzheimer’s disease. This most likely is a result of combining mercury with aluminum and formaldehyde, which renders them much more toxic together through a synergistic effect than each would be alone. One investigator has reported that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer’s disease than people who did not have any flu shots :eek:

misplaced post
I think I should have posted this here instead.
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=20308

Yes!! I have loved him ever since....I often wonder why he never made it as big as some of the other guys...

The Washington Post today endorsed the swine flu vaccine. For whatever that's worth.

Is there a second page I'm not seeing? I don't see an endorsement to take the vaccine, but it also seems to end rather abruptly so I figure I must be missing something.

According to the news tonight, the hundreds of college kids that have gotten it (H1N1 not vaccine), have gotten over it in 2 or 3 days. Much faster than normal flu, and without intestinal distress either.

That's a good question. I read the paper edition yesterday, and it came across as an endorsement to me. So I looked for an electronic version I could link to here. Now I'm at work and re-reading the electronic version, I don't see an outright endorsement either. Either I read it wrong, or there was a headline or something in the paper edition that made me think they were endorsing it.

If I misread it, and I probably did, it was probably the quoted expert saying "The benefit of the vaccine far outweighs the risks." that came across to me as the paper's endorsement.

Flu drugs inappropriate for healthy adults

I am not sure what to make of this report, if it is true. Usually these things are leaked for a purpose. So I am trying to figure out what that purpose is and who would benefit from the leak.

Swine flu 'could kill millions unless rich nations give £900m'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...osts-un-report

Shhhh. I think I just heard a piece of the sky falling.

Eh. I don't think I could go that far. It was more of an interest to me that there was some sort of moral blackmail going on.

That article isn't even discrete. But, the death rate is much higher in South American countries.

http://www.flucount.org/

Anyone else gotten an email like this?

Sounds like BS

Do you have a cite that shows anything she says to be factually incorrect, Merc?

It is the broad generalizations which are possibly based in fact but don't really make a cogent argument against the specific H1N1 vaccine, but they are the basis of the repeated arguments against vaccines of any kind.

So, yes, the statements are factual. Got it.

You want something specific that makes the H1N1 shot more dangerous than the others? Looks to me like #2 and #4 do that, but it's faulty logic even if they didn't. Are you going to tell me that there's nothing unhealthy about smoking Camel cigarettes, since I can't prove to you that Camels are significantly worse for you than Pall Malls?

I thought the reason why annual flu shots are offered is because the seasonal flu virus evolves so quickly that last year's immunity won't help this year?

This is worded horribly or is complete bullshit. Just because mercury is an adjuvalnt doesn't mean it is the one being used.

I do strongly agree with this though. A healthy diet is probably one of the best ways to avoid getting sick.

No actually, you don't "got it".

This is false:
Fear mongering:
Opinion, not based in fact:
Misleading:
Incomplete data:
False:
Highly controversial:




No.

The seasonal flu shot this year contains thimerosal (mercury,) as it almost always does. The pandemic shots are about half thimerosal and half squalene, depending on the source (that is, half the shots are one and half are the other, not a mixture of the two in the same shot.)

Is FluMist for swine or seasonal flu?

They have both. But the only H1N1 vaccine out is in the mist form which should not be given to prego women.

What do you mean they have both? There is a name brand seasonal vaccine called Flumist, as well as an h1n1 vaccine with the same name? Or the seasonal FluMist contains h1n1? Same question for Fluzone.

If you choose to be vaccinated - pay attention to which one you are getting. Even if it's free at work or whatever.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/acip.htm

Why does the CDC say babies under 6 months cannot get the flu shot, Merc?

What's the name of it?
And not just preggos

I can't find it.

This was in our local paper today:
http://savannahnow.com/news/2009-10-...e-h1n1-vaccine

While the CDC claims that "Most flu cases are H1N1", even though

CBS does their own research state by state, and finds otherwise.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...age5404580.gif

And now Hussein 'Bama declares we have a state of emergency.

Funny. I have heard nothing but the opposit. Most cases are and have always been the routine seasonal flu.

My best friend and her hubby (who live in the suite below us and we spend a lot of time with) Just went through a week of the flu. It was first diagnosed as a chest infection, then progressed to a full out vomit fest with a nasty high fever. They took blood and did confirm H1N1. They isolated themselves, and even the three of us living upstairs took two days "quarantine/movie watching" We would not have gone to that drastic of a measure except we had accidentally switched wine glasses twice on Wed night. And her and my hubby shared a smoke, instead of smoking two at the time. Add to that I had a sore throat and slight cough, hubby had a cough and the chills... we did not want to get anyone sick. The health department here is telling us that we are contagious 24 hours BEFORE first symptoms, and up to 48 hours After the fever has broke. We all work in a hotel/banquet/beer store (same building) and did not want to be blamed for giving some 400 quests a a wedding H1N1 because we were sick. Problem is, I doubt everyone working there will be as cautious. So, so far H1N1 has hit 40% of our household... lets hope that is all.