I did write what I mean. Again, you read it wrong. I never said anything about plain conservatism, I said far right. Do you really think you're moderate?

Translation of Nazi Party= National Socialist Party. Socialism is a left wing, not right wing philosphy. Just sayin'.

No, you're comparing Germany's Fascism with the USSR, which was not Communism, but another dose of Fascism... and neither are left. (no pun intended):headshake

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Because its called National Socialist Party you think it was socialism? Do a quick google search. They were fascists.

Just sayin'. :rolleyes:

No, she'd probably listen for keywords and recite the inappropriate talking point.

How do you know that she did not know previously that "good teenage girls from good families have sex"?

I read a quote where she claimed it was a surprise her kid was sexually active.
That statement surprised me, but I don't remember where I read it.

It has been my experience that most parents say the same thing, esp when their kid shows up prego. They knew it went on but never thought their kid did it. All the more reason to educate kids in all aspects of sex education and make contraceptives available to them when they do become sexually active.

Maybe parents need teen-sex education too.

Or contraceptives, so they aren't parents.

I'm saying that, giving her the benefit of the doubt, she based her 'abstinence only' decision on her personal beliefs and experience. After she was 'surprised' by her own daughter, did this alter her beliefs in any way?

The distinction between ignorance and stupidity is that the first means lack of knowledge, and the second means the inability to learn.

As a potential voter, I am curious as to her capacity for learning and adapting to new circumstances as well as doing what's best for her constituents versus what's satisfies her political base.

Give credit to Obama that on most of the major issues right now he is willing to piss off his base to get things done. From what I hear, on this specific issue Palin is still giving the party line. If she got into office and her worldview got a shock similar to that in her personal life, would she be able and willing to adjust, even in her first term in office and looking at reelection?

What constituents? She is not in any office. She is not running for office. She wrote a book and is trying to become a mouth piece for the far Right. Why demonize a mother who is not unlike any other mother surprised by a teen pregnacy who is her daughter.

A) What makes you think she isn't running for office or will be. There is every possibility that she will present herself as a candidate and I have every right to gather information and form opinions.

B) This isn't about her being a mother. This is about her remaining a political figure publicly lobbying for policies which her personal experience demonstrates as unworkable.

Because to date there is no evidence that she is or will.

Oh, I had never said anything to contrary.

Her personal experience as a mother who happened to have a daughter who made a bad decision, on her own, has nothing to do with her personal views or public lobbying for any policy which supports her moral views. Don't get me wrong, I am no Holy Roller, and do not support the hard right views on many things, including crap Palin has supported. My point is just because a teen daughter fucks up and screws some dude and has a baby has nothing to do with Palin the Right-wing supporter. Her daughters pregnancy is not part of what Palin may or may not believe she wanted her daughter to do or not do. Why doesn't anyone attack any of the left wing mothers who are in congress? Pelosi must be one fucked up mother with 6 kids she is neglecting as she screws this country up right?

I still wish she would go away - just fade off into the sunset - your 15 minutes of fame or whatever are over. I am still shocked that anyone - ANYONE still feels she is a viable candidate for anything.

I can see why the left would want to keep pumping her up as viable because she is unelectable, but the stupidity of the right to give her even a cent for any election is a total waste of time, effort and money.

I don't care what she does. I don't think she will get elected to squat. I think that if she stuck out her governership she would have had a shot at a senate seat in congress for alaska, but not now. She has been marginalized.

And yet her book is huge success and she appears to have a large and loyal following in what remains of the base of the Republican party.

If the Republicans were still committed to 'big tent' moderation, I would agree that she has been marginalized. If, however, they continue to woo the right in the partially correct assumption that the far right are more committed voters, then she still has power.

The far right strategy may win the Republicans primaries and possibly off-year elections where the rest of the population is too apathetic to vote.

This is why the Republican's only hope is anti-Democratic sentiment, saying in effect that they are the only other game in town. IF they pack themselves up with far right candidates, even this strategy may fail.

It's a mistake to assume her fans are all in the "base of the Republican party", though. I've met educated liberals that think she's a breath of fresh air, to a system they're disenchanted with.

So basically you and the liberal left fear her?

Not at all - I think they love her because she is so unelectable to the masses.

It is just that, as Darling E-girl understood, all liberals are wankers. If you'd ever tried tossing off to a picture of Hilary, you'd understand why they like Sarah.

Yes, MTP, I do. I amount to center right. I'm not timid about it to be sure, and all the less so for the best my opposition here can muster. Their want of wisdom amazes. Their inability to maintain their argument is... routine, that's the word.

The center-right is the bulk of the people at the TEA Parties. Middle America goes to TEA Parties.

Bruce, I'll trust Erik von Kühnelt-Leddihn's judgement on that one over yours, slightly sorry to say -- however much easier your handle is to spell than his. He was as bright as both of us put together, maybe with Wolf added in. (I wouldn't add Radar except as a make-weight.) Were you to bother to get his Leftism Revisited you'd have the understanding of it that I do: he makes the case that both are in the leftward end of the spectrum. Until you do this bit of required reading, you're flailing away in disgraceful ignorance. Not a problem I have.

The left side of the aisle began as a French enthusiasm for using a large, activist, much-empowered State to right social ills. Nothing, really, more than that. In the beginning.

You'll believe anybody that says what you want to hear, silly boy. :rolleyes:

Oh, quit whining, UG. WE all know that you are quantum leaps above the rest of us when it comes to IQ. You have read every book in the library of congress at least three times. This is in addition to your usual persual of the Congressional Record, never mind the Federal Statutes and any pertaining slip laws.

I, on the other hand like those large comic books with the big crayon. No doubt you will call me a fellow traveler with the other commie cunts. Or with any luck you'll label me a "natterig nabob of negatism."

I am mostly mad at you and your cronies boring Redux to tears, so that he departed from these groups. Between Mercenary, Classicman, and you, all there is left to read is anti-commie propaganda. Why don't you just go down and picket Wally World and leave the rest of us in peace.

Hey! I like those. Don't judge a book by a single issue. {or would that be a magazine since it would be published more often?}

Would you like some cheese with that?
Redux and I have had both good and negative discussions both on the board and off. Please leave me out of your petty little squabbles. mmmkay?

Sorry that everyone isn't all aboard the Obama train. :right:

No, but I would like to see you with a mop, cleaning up after your own over active imagination. :eyebrow:

I think my statements were quite fair. I wouldn't change a word. You have a problem with them?

I went back and looked at your posts and see nothing to really quarrel about except I'm pro Obama and you're not. Peace?

Then what are you doing on the interwebs, pansy? :D

Is rhat directed toward me? Its just the internet for Heaven's sake. I can turn it off or engage in a flame war if I so choose. Drivel like :wstupid::devil::drunk::smashfrea:apistola::sniper::rattat::magnum: Make me want to :bolt:


Besides, I miss Redux. I sorta had a crush on him. :blush:

there will be no peace until we are crushed into a singularity . . . or something like that. :o

Actually I am pro America. Thats where I split ways with many people. Their first allegiance is to a party, many times without even realizing it. I don't give a flying fork what party someone is with. I care about this nation. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Eh, me, I am just anti-double standard.

Sorry, Sam, it was an attempt at a humorous response to you and Merc being polite to each other in a politics thread.

Humour staus: fail.

I don't think she has an interest in being polite to me about politics. But I respect that. No biggie. Carry on.

Oh, generally I'm polite to people who are polite to me. I think UG has put me off my feed in that regard. On the other hand, I don't mind a knock down, leave no enemies standing debate. I think its possible to do this without referring to my incredible intellect plus the use of sophmoric humor. And if you don't know who I mean, stick sround another second or two. ;)

Oh man....the bullshit alarm was so loud this morning, it woke me up early.

But let me be the first to congratulate you on climb towards the Mercenary level of patriotism!

You are now a MercPat Second Class and officially a self-proclaimed better American that “cares more about the nation” than many of those who might have a different perspective on what is best for the country.

Pay attention now....In order to achieve First Class status, you must also proclaim that you are “anti-double standard” while posting more partisan opinions/articles than all other members combined and then claiming “failed” whenever those partisan opinions are challenged by those with a different view.

Silly me. I thought pro-American means having those core values of respecting the fact that we are all not required to think alike and one is free to express an opinion regarding what is best for the country w/o having his/her patriotism questioned.

A rhetorical question for you …..why is it that those who claim they put “country above party” (you, Merc, UG) are most often the same ones who are so intolerant and dismissive of the views of fellow citizens?

Come on, dude(s)......why should anyone take you seriously when put yourself above others here by sinking so low?

Oh...and before you bitch that I misinterpreted your post.....I'll just quote you...”I calls 'em like I sees 'em”


**resetting the bullshit alarm until the next “real American” posts another outrageous self-promoting comment that disparages those with a different point of view---- I'll be watching ;) **

Oh look what the cat dragged in...

Weird english spelling: fail.
Typing status: also fail. :D

:lol2:

We should respect the opinion of others on how to spell words like humour, colour, grey or any of those others the wanna-be-brits and brits alike spell wrong!

Just to clarify darlin'... Please give me a list of male politicians neglecting their families. Ta.

I think it's dreadful that women are criticised for working - that's what happens in pretty much every Western country. And if the majority of women work, then it should be accepted that they can work in politics. You can bet that even Kinder Kuche Kirche affliates these days have some female employees with children. Why? Because young mothers work for cheap.

If a party takes a stand on mothers in the home (risky even in right-wing America, surely?) then they cannot criticise working mothers. And if parents of both genders are necessary for a healthy upbringing, how can they support male career politicians who see their children about as often as a divorced Dad? Is he there at breakfast? Home to bath them? There all weekend?

Politicians are all mouth and no trousers. They try to enforce morals on us that they don't live by themselves (ditto journalists). Don't be fooled, people.

Sundae: :notworthy

Bah, I poke out my tongue in your general direction. :p

If you don't like the English version of English, maybe you should rename your peculiar regional dialect American or something. ;)

All of them.


I agree, so why attack Palin in the first place?

I agree 100%.

I agree 100%.

Aw. I'm just joshin. Everyone knows I'm really an Anglophile.

Yeah. Prolly.

Pro-ba-bly. Say it clearly. [/ass]

Struck a nerve did I? You must be looking at the poll numbers.

Nope.

I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber patriots who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country.

But hey, wave the flag and shout out that you're a real American and others here are not!

And I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber Demoncrats who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country and want to jam changes down the throat of the public while they tax and spend like whores.

I dont speak for anyone else, but please point to any post of mine where I proclaimed that I care more about the country than others here.

Thank you in advance. :)

And perhaps explain at the same time your self-proclaimed non-partisanship when you post more partisan opinions/articles than all others here combined..and when the "facts" (sic) in those opinions/articles are challenged, typically respond by calling others partisan.

Sounds like a double-standard to me, which I thought you oppose. :confused:

I am starting a Redux Fan Club. Who else is in?

:notworthy

It is not so much your thought that you and your party care more than anyone else but that you think you know what is best for our country.;)

When I have I said I know what's best? You're right, I offer my opinion on what I think are the best policies for the country.

And when I have I attacked the patriotism of others or said that I "care more about the country" than those who disagree with me?

Now you are completely misquoting me. Cut the crap. I never said I was a self proclaimed patriot, never said I care more than anyone else, Never said anything about waving the flag and shouting. And most importantly I never said anything about anyone here being less of an American than I.

You're being overtly sensitive there. Everything ok?

Zengum, Dana, Sundae, and Ali are LESS American than you are. There. I said it.

Haggis - Thank you Bri. I bet you're gonna pick on Limey next huh?

I calls em like I sees em:

Actually I am pro America. Thats where I split ways with many people. Their first allegiance is to a party, many times without even realizing it. I don't give a flying fork what party someone is with. I care about this nation. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Putting our Brit friends to the side :).....who among the dwellers involved in these discussions are not pro America?