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TheMercenary 04-19-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 724050)
I still can't believe TW started this thread.

I lol a little bit...

skysidhe 04-19-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 724168)
Gee Flint, I was just trying to be honest... :rolleyes:

You may be right though. I guess it depends on your perception.

My intention was to point out what my problems are with monster's posts and to a secondary degree, to ask Shawnee why her own style seems to have changed so much.

To recap though. I don't believe you have to be a bitch to be honest, so suggesting that bitchiness is honesty is bullshit in my opinion.

Ali, Just read post# 60 out-loud to yourself. Imagine her saying it and imagine any IRL person saying the same thing. Once you realize she is totally insane, you'll feel better about the lack of enthusiasm for this poll.

jimhelm 04-19-2011 09:43 AM

sky, monster is not totally insane.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 09:49 AM

I am sorry. You are right. Not 'totally'. Just M.O. I know it is MY personal perception and my problem. If people want to take a bashing, without sticking up for themselves, at the time it is happening, so be it.

Bolded is key imo also

Flint 04-19-2011 09:51 AM

What is insane about this? I read this post and agreed with every word. It reads like an Ayn Rand character, or lyrics to a Rush song. This resonates with me. If you think this is crazy, I can't understand how your brain works.
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Originally Posted by monster (Post 723816)
Listen up, anon et al. I ain't gonna change. You don't like it? Tough. You want rid? Make this place so floral, wishy-washy and marshmallow-post infested I can't take it any more. But I will fight such invasions until it ain't worth it, and I suspect I'm not alone, so you have your work cut out. But feel free to try.

Yes, I'm like this in real life. My time is valuable, I don't waste it on people who are intolerably dumb or irritating in my opinion. You get a couple of chances, then you get ignored and if your idiocy makes you unignorable, then I'mm'a tell you about it. And then it's done. Out of sight out of mind. You really don't know anyone like that in real life? Or you just expect the interweb to be all Snow White and Disney?

FFS look at the user name I picked. Sometimes you can judge a book by the cover if it's graphic enough.

If you can't stand the heat, you really should get out of the kitchen. If you allow your feelings to be hurt by strangers on the interwebs, then this is not the place for you. I don't expect, need or want to be liked by everyone. So "ouch, my feelings". Seems like maybe you do. This is just not a realistic outlook on life.

But I voted against me to try and give you a little emotional boost there ;) Now rub some dirt in it and man up.


jimhelm 04-19-2011 09:57 AM

who started this thread?

skysidhe 04-19-2011 09:58 AM

what does it mean? floraly wishy washy and fighting against the invasion?

....and if ignoring dumb, ignorant things are the stance then why fight said imaginary invasion? ..

It is contradictory and vague at best.

Flint 04-19-2011 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 724235)
what does it mean? floraly wishy washy and fighting against the invasion?

My interpretation: It means fighting against something like political correctness. The invasion would be those who wish to make the world a safe and boring place by removing the soul from it. In the name of a "good cause" of course, but ironically killing the very thing they wish to protect. Some of us have to practice forethought in order to counter these well-intentioned but reactive ideas.

Pico and ME 04-19-2011 10:04 AM

I didn't find it vague or contradictory. I found it bravely up front and in your face. Monster will always say it like she feels and sees it and isn't really worried about its affect. You may not like her for it, but she doesn't care.

footfootfoot 04-19-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 724234)
who started this thread?

depending how far back you want to trace it, UT is responsible for creating the cellar, but Gore is responsible for creating the internets...

DanaC 04-19-2011 10:07 AM

Floral (seems pretty clear), wishy-washy = watered down, watery, or dull grey like dishwater, marshmallow-post infested = again seems fairly clear to me. Full of soft, fluffy, say-nothing, sacharine sweet posts.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 724234)
who started this thread?


NOT I.


I don't work this way. I am in disagreement with it. As I said, it is a poor way to gather support. I would much appreciate it if people would take issue with her trolling at the time it is happening.

I am quite capable to getting into M's face without hiding. I seem to be alone in this.

....and the original intent of this thread just proves how much of a coward people are in regard to her. ( outside of apathy and amusement)

I have decided I will no longer stick up for people she is trolling in a thread because of this thread.

If you are going to have someones back, have someones back up front and not in secret. It loses it's sincerity.

DanaC 04-19-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 724246)
I am quite capable to getting into M's face without hiding. I seem to be alone in this.


What seriously? In all of the cellar, it's just you on your tod getting in Monster's face?

skysidhe 04-19-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 724245)
Floral (seems pretty clear), wishy-washy = watered down, watery, or dull grey like dishwater, marshmallow-post infested = again seems fairly clear to me. Full of soft, fluffy, say-nothing, sacharine sweet posts.

Such as which posts? and how is this wrong? and how is she going to fight against them? why would she when she herself is given the freedom to post as she wills?

DanaC 04-19-2011 10:09 AM

The post itself was an example of how to fight that.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 724247)
What seriously? In all of the cellar, it's just you on your tod getting in Monster's face?


When she is unkind to people, I don't see anyone, even the attack-ie saying a damn thing.

If you have proof of people standing up to her abuse, post them here.

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 724250)
The post itself was an example of how to fight that.

And what does the post say? She is going to continue to troll what she deems beneath her intelligence level and those posts that are too florally wishy washy.

How is censureship, when a post isn't harming anyone, good for this community?

Pico and ME 04-19-2011 10:16 AM

When Monster is being 'unkind' it is usually because she is pointing out what she sees as an idiocy in someone else's post. Its not abuse for abuses sake.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 10:19 AM

So she is taking issue with a post she doesn't think is worthy and bashes the poster. It isn't about content at all.

Pico and ME 04-19-2011 10:22 AM

That's how you see it, but I think you are taking it too personally.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 724238)
My interpretation: It means fighting against something like political correctness. The invasion would be those who wish to make the world a safe and boring place by removing the soul from it. In the name of a "good cause" of course, but ironically killing the very thing they wish to protect. Some of us have to practice forethought in order to counter these well-intentioned but reactive ideas.


I like what you wrote although, forethought is not one of monsters posting style.

For example, cloud was not being politically correct by asking a question in your math thread. Instead of helping, monster insulted her, made references to movies, which she is inclined to do, in an attempt to belittle and humiliate her.

This doesn't fit your interpretation.

Pico and ME 04-19-2011 10:27 AM

Yeah, but cloud got really weird about brackets...I'm just saying.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 724258)
That's how you see it, but I think you are taking it too personally.


No, this is an attempt to understand intent.

I understand the intent is to suppress others she sees as weaker, while giving herself full rein.

but as I said, the next time she trolls someone and they don't have the guts to say, knock it off, oh well.

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 724260)
Yeah, but cloud got really weird about brackets...I'm just saying.

Maybe she wanted to understand the problem. Maybe monster could have used her advanced degree to give a proper example. Maybe someone would have learned something. So, THIS is what she is fighting against.
The desire to learn.

Pooka 04-19-2011 10:45 AM

When I first saw this thread I assumed it was a joke. Monster and Shawnee are among my favorite characters on here.

I fail to see why anyone would get so bent out of shape at ANYTHING anyone said… online.

Pico and ME 04-19-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 724262)

...Maybe she wanted to understand the problem. Maybe monster could have used her advanced degree to give a proper example. Maybe someone would have learned something...

Monster did do that with her, as did others. Cloud still remained obtuse for some reason, and I think Monster just lost her patience with her. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to "suppress others she sees as weaker, while giving herself full rein". You are being really really silly here Sky.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 11:05 AM

For whatever the reason, it wasn't right. There are seven other people who feel the same way.


So let me get this straight, You think by me thinking she should have helped someone is silly yet losing patience with someone forgivable. humm


Losing her patience would be different than fighting against ignorance and wishy washy florally. Not a matter of principle at all. A pure emotional response which are often, by their very nature, lacking in forethought.

Which by the way, I like I.M. I cannot dislike her. I understand passion quite well.

DanaC 04-19-2011 11:06 AM

@ Sky: no, I don't have examples of people standing up to 'abuse' from Monster, because I have no examples of 'abuse' to draw from. There are examples of her being a bit of a bitch with someone. There are also examples of you being a bit of a bitch with someone. And me too, no doubt.

I don't accept the basic premise I'm afraid.

Pico and ME 04-19-2011 11:08 AM

Me either.

And those 7 other people can just put her on ignore...problem solved.

skysidhe 04-19-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 724282)
@ Sky: no, I don't have examples of people standing up to 'abuse' from Monster, because I have no examples of 'abuse' to draw from. There are examples of her being a bit of a bitch with someone. There are also examples of you being a bit of a bitch with someone. And me too, no doubt.

I don't accept the basic premise I'm afraid.

I agree.

Cloud 04-19-2011 12:00 PM

I would like to thank the OP for thinking of me and standing up to what the OP perceived as injustice. It was a nice thought, although I think it backfired.

Do I need someone else to stick up for me? Frankly, no. I'm perfectly capable of sticking up for myself, if I want to. I usually choose not to, because I view that as pandering to bullies and bringing myself down to their level, and in the end, it's not really worth it to me.

infinite monkey 04-19-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 724270)
Monster did do that with her, as did others. Cloud still remained obtuse for some reason, and I think Monster just lost her patience with her. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to "suppress others she sees as weaker, while giving herself full rein". You are being really really silly here Sky.

I can say, for me, that cloud is often obtuse for obtuse's sake. The brackets was another in a long history of posts that derail the the subject at hand so that everyone will stop and patiently explain to the poor weak innocent the folly of her tangential (is that a word?) post.

The thread about cutting some damn flower stems, for example: 453 people suggested ideas but she just kept intentionally playing helpless and ignorant, wrninging her hands and wanting some sort of higher solution.

It gets so I make a joke out of it to avoid banging my head against the wall. :lol:

infinite monkey 04-19-2011 12:10 PM

Do I think cloud is helpless and ignorant? No I dont. But I reserve the right to laugh at the performance.

infinite monkey 04-19-2011 12:21 PM

Was it this thread or its unintentional clone where Ali asked why I've changed? (The threads could be merged with nary a stitch.)

Nope, I'm still the same old me. You paint your criticisms with patience and concern and pretend your insults then bear meaningful weight. In other words, save it: your support has been woefully absent times when I really needed it.

I don't need to be saved from some sort of negative influence, as you hint at. These are my thoughts and my words.

Trying to remember when I was all sweetness and light. No, I've always been me.

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 724244)
depending how far back you want to trace it, UT is responsible for creating the cellar, [u]but Gore is responsible for creating the internets...]/u]

:lol: I love that line....

jimhelm 04-19-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 724301)
because I view that as pandering to bullies and bringing myself down to their level, and in the end, it's not really worth it to me.

but posting a poll and naming one or two specific people to be held up for scrutiny and judgement is NOT bullying? oh, ok.

before you say it again, I understand that YOU didn't start the poll. I am, however, convinced that since you 'know who did' ...that you're of a mind with that person (whose name may or may not start with the letter A)

I just want to point out that this is a bullying thread.

just sayin'

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 724320)
but posting a poll and naming one or two specific people to be held up for scrutiny and judgement is NOT bullying? oh, ok.

Really?

Trilby 04-19-2011 12:29 PM

most bullies will deny to their death that they are, indeed, bullies.

I agree with you jimhelm. 100%.

jimhelm 04-19-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724322)
Really?

really. I was totally bullying you, so you know.

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 724325)
really. I was totally bullying you, so you know.

Just sounded a bit duplicitous.... that's all.

jimhelm 04-19-2011 12:36 PM

well.... yeah.

I've done shit like this. I'm not casting judgement on the use of this type of thread, per se. I dislike the anonymous posting of it mostly because it's a chicken shit thing to do. I also dislike the hypocrisy of cloud harping on bullying when she is taking part in it presently.

I've been on both sides of this kind of thing, to be sure. I am not speaking form a position of innocence at all. Simply pointing out that a pack of Hyenas pulling down a Lion is killing just as much as a single Lion pouncing on a Gazelle is.

Flint 04-19-2011 01:14 PM

It's the anonymous posting that I take issue with.

It isn't just distasteful--it actually harms the chances of working things through. So I have to wonder, if the poster isn't really interested in working things through to a resolution (as would be possible only if the issues were brought forward properly, with this intent) then what IS the purpose of this thread? To cast negative characterizations against specific posters, without allowing them to respond to the accuser? To encourage other members to take punitive action against certain other members? This all sounds like intent to cause harm. This is malicious. The poster of this thread is the attacker, not the victim.

lookout123 04-19-2011 01:23 PM

Where is Casey Haynes when you need him?

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 724327)
well.... yeah.

I've done shit like this. I'm not casting judgement on the use of this type of thread, per se. I dislike the anonymous posting of it mostly because it's a chicken shit thing to do.

That's all I am saying, the rest of this is on whom ever posted it. The only entertaining bit is to watch everyone jump on each others shit. Mostly it is all stupid. That is what the ignore button is for, to improve one's viewing pleasure.

Trilby 04-19-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724365)
The only entertaining bit is to watch everyone jump on each others shit. Mostly it is all stupid.

Ah. You've never jumped on anyone's shit, right?

Ch'yeah.

DanaC 04-19-2011 02:29 PM

Ha. ha, yeah. Jump on his shit Bri, jump on his shit.

Trilby 04-19-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 724389)
Ha. ha, yeah. Jump on his shit Bri, jump on his shit.

at least I don't do it anonymously :P

DanaC 04-19-2011 02:31 PM

Oh hey. I wasn't bustin you. I really was just encouraging you to jump on his shit.

Trilby 04-19-2011 02:31 PM

:lol:

monster 04-19-2011 03:14 PM

Why, is it on fire?

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 724390)
at least I don't do it anonymously :P

Oh, yea me either bitch. :lol:

Flint 04-19-2011 04:17 PM

Old man Clemens HATES shit!

Trilby 04-19-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724440)
Oh, yea me either bitch. :lol:

Good for you, you cocksucking piece of shit. :lol:

jimhelm 04-19-2011 05:57 PM

NSFW

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 724500)
Good for you, you cocksucking piece of shit. :lol:

How do you like it, the first post I have responded to of yours since you went on and off your meds again! Time to see the shrink!

Aliantha 04-19-2011 07:07 PM

I was reading through this thread again and noticed how there seems to be a suggestion of monsters intelligence being high and that's why she's mean to people she deems less intelligent.

Does anyone else think that maybe she's a UG clone? lol

footfootfoot 04-19-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 724389)
Ha. ha, yeah. Jump on his shit Bri, jump on his shit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 724390)
at least I don't do it anonymously :P

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724440)
Oh, yea me either bitch. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 724500)
Good for you, you cocksucking piece of shit. :lol:

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724544)
How do you like it, the first post I have responded to of yours since you went on and off your meds again! Time to see the shrink!

There's a lot of love in the room tonight...:eyebrow:

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 07:20 PM

Eh, I knew it wasn't going to be worth it. My bad. nothing has changed.

Aliantha 04-19-2011 07:23 PM

And nothing ever happens,
Nothing happens at all.
The needle returns to the start of the song,
And we all sing along like before.

DanaC 04-19-2011 07:24 PM

It was just a little wordplay ffs

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 07:26 PM

You are right Dana. Bitch = Cocksucker, should I have said "cunt"?

DanaC 04-19-2011 07:31 PM

In the context of a humorous escalation, cunt is as good a word as any.

Til you startd about bri's meds I thought you were just playing the escalation


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