The reason merc hasnt been around ,

Right wing vs. left wing most understated pun of the year.

Wow. 100+ posts for what? Mostly you're all bickering amongst yourselves over someone who most of you know nothing about.
Dana, you tried to do a good thing. don't beat yourself up for that.

Ibs - FUCK YOU. You were every bit as much a dick to him as he was to you.

What one posts here is certainly not the whole of that person. For example, when Merc heard of my son's accident from Jim's post on here, he got my number somehow ( I still don't know how) & called me a few days later. Offered ANYTHING, anything he could to help me out. He stayed on the phone with me while I cried for hours. When my son came home and I didn't have the money to buy him a cane, the fucker sent me a check to buy my son, and I quote, "a cool cane for a cool kid." Who the fuck does that?
Tony needed a car - Merc contributed very generously if I recall. Sam's camera example is another. Ask Tony about his tip jar donations. I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of. He is one of the most generous people I've met.
Was he a dick and totally over the top at times? Yup, no question about it. I sent him PM's more than once telling him to STFU. Who the heck hasn't said shit they didn't mean out of anger, alcohol use/abuse whatever? Look in the mirror.

I left here for while because the bullshit got so fucking deep it was sickening and it made me more of a bitter, shitty person. Thats a stark contrast from a time when I thought you people here were the closest "friends" I had. I came here to give and get advice & to share my life - both good and godawful. No matter what, I could count on your support and honesty. I don't feel that way anymore, or not enough to keep me participating on a daily basis - and that SUCKS. It makes me sad, really sad.

Fukkit.

Wow. Just wow. Although my absence is largely due to other reasons I really couldn't have written a better explanation than this thread for why my absence from the cellar didn't bother me more.

Merc was/is an asshole.
Ibby was/is an asshole.
You were/are a bunch of whiney bandwagon hopping assholes.
I was/am an asshole.

Grow the fuck up. Would you really say some of this shit to someone's face? Really? Really Really? If your answer is anything beyond staring at your shoes and whimpering like a dog that pissed on the floor, then shame on you.

I'm disgusted with us.

Lookout! What a surprise! I wish you would have made your return (which I assume is a brief one) in another thread. What's the point of being nasty to everyone else in order to inform them how nasty THEY are? I always thought better of you, and now I'm disappointed.

This should be called the "poison thread" and have a warning come on your computer screen that the reader stands a high chance of coming away angry or depressed or both. Often no good comes from posting to it. I only replied because I was surprised to see your name. I wish you better days and a sunnier disposition.

Actually, I'm not angry, depressed, or down. Disappointed, yes. Did I happen to catch your attention because I dared to type out that I, you, and most of the participants have been assholes? Then good.

Now put it in context. Have you, SamIam, been an asshole? I don't know. I haven't and won't go back to read all the hundreds of threads I've missed. Have you, SamIam, been a part of the community that seems to have moved on from being a community of wildly different philosophies, lifestyles, politics, communication styles, economic brackets, and any other demographic category imaginable to become something less? Yes? Then SamIam and Lookout should feel some measure of shame.

I get that this is the cellar and is really just a webbased bulletin board, but I always thought of it as something more. I really did feel it was a legitimate community where I could genuinely learn what other people thought and felt; not just those of similar political schools (obviously I lean right) but also those that are 1 to 180 degrees away from my views. I edged my way out of daily participation because I felt we were losing that but assumed it was my own sensitivities at play. (it's possible they still are)

I popped back in to find just pure nastiness directed at anyone who veers from the homogenized "correct" view of things. I find it offensive.

It is your fault. You are here and allow it to happen. It is my fault because I perceive this as an undesireable state of existence and chose to walk away rather than attempt to influence it. It is Jim's fault because... well, he's Jim.

So anyway, Sam - if I have personally offended you, I apologize for my lack of skill in expressing my thoughts. I meant no individual personal insult. I am, however, disappointed in us as a group.

I believe the cellar was more than this. I believe the cellar IS more than this. I commit to returning and attempting to express my views in a non-insulting but certainly divisive manner more often as I get my personal affairs in order.

Oh, and fuck Jim. I say that purely because my introduction to the cellar was having my ass shredded by LJ over my political and religious views. He slapped me down for the newb I was, but in such a manner that I was compelled to return and present myself more coherently. So thanks Jim. You are one of my all time favorite dwellars. You asshole.

Well, crap.

Catharsis can be good, sometimes.


ETA Composed before I had read lookout's most recent post (126). Was a comment on the overall situation.

EtalsoA oh and welcome back, Lookout!

Well, this thread depressed ME. You happened to catch my attention because I saw your user name - something that hasn't happened in ages.

LOL! What a question! As you very well know, I can be a real bitch at times. I'm working on that, but sometimes my inner bitch still demands to escape and run free. What's a girl to do?

What's the point of asking me a question when you've decided you already know the answer? You haven't gone back and read any posts, but you've decided that I (and you) failed some Cellar litmus test and must now go around hanging our heads in shame. You're certainly free to do as please, feel all the shame you want, but ddon't try to unload all your nuggets of coal on me.

I've learned quite a few things on the Cellar, and these days I try to post stuff that may be interesting or comforting or whatever in return.

If your plan is to come back here and be as mean as you've been in your two posts here, then you'll get what you give. Excuse me for not meeting your standards.

@ Ali - forgive me if I am not "over" such a horrible thing. Do I forgive merc? Sure. He's human-ish after all.

He hurt me on a grand scale. I suppose I shall never like him or forget what he did to me. When a person is in a suicidal state of mind....well, need I really expand on that?

and if a Dwellar's love and respect can be bought-how much? I'll try to buy---I mean MEET----all of your needs then you'll love me and defend me till Jim's death the way the Universe means it to be.

Ali, Ali---we forgave each other long ago. I still don't get how you, a committed liberal with waaaaaay socialist views, got to be so tight with a man so completely opposite in his views. Actually, his views were MY views when we used to fight; then, largely because of Dana, my views changed and as far as I knew, you were still a cheerleader for the left. Your sig line even read "Apparently I'm a leftie" or some such. Then you go and gush all over merc? I never saw you get angry with him-----maybe you did, I don't read everything of course. I DO recall you telling him to 'cool it, mate' once when he was being way, waaaaaay over the top with a newbie (his favorite food).

I've no animosity towards you. I've changed my views. Even if someone IS a raving right-winger I can still learn, be their friend, etc. I don't have to suffer a bully who is being a bully for self aggrandizement and an "I'm better than you" bullshit attitude which he has in spades.

quote classicman: "Who the fuck does that?"

bruce, for one. Actually, bruce does it quite often to many different dwellars because he genuinely likes to be generous.

and when I was sick I got LOADS of books, soft socks, a hat, loads of things. all from dwellars. I passed all my cancer books on to ortho. We don't all sing our own praises. mostly it;s just done.

I didn't get anything from Merc before he left. I was hoping for a machine gun or some hand grenades to use for hunting and fishing respectively; but, noooooooooo. All I got was dwellars sloppy seconds, those whom he had his way with then tossed aside. I am disappoint.

I think that the cellar is weakened by the absence of Dwellars like Merc, Monster, Lookout, Classic (though not absent as much lately) Lumberjim, and a number of others. I often don't agree with them on certain political issues, but it is pretty boring to be surrounded by a bunch of replicants.

I am not as likely to engage in fierce debate, if I disagree with someone I rarely feel the need to get all butthurt and contentious about it, partly out of my personality and partly that I find it really hard to keep track of things and hard to "keep score" (one of the reasons why my marriage has gone on long past its "sell by" date--Not keeping track and score makes it hard to have arguments backed up by examples) But I am glad that there are posters here who are willing to argue and get all butthurt; it keeps things, to be cliche, real. Or at least realer-ish.

I'll tell ya what, foot. If MaggieL ever comes back I'll pink pistol her to fucking Moonrise Kingdom with her own damn pistol!

then I shall laff at her and her best friend, the straw man whom I shall slowly and methodically burn to death in a sinister and delightful s'morish kind of way.

Howzat?

Kudos to BigV as well.











There have been a few reasonable posts, but overall this thread sucks. It reminds me of why I take breaks from this place. Add that to Lookout's attack on me, and I realize that the Cellar is not a healthy place for me to be spending my time - not right now, anyhow. I'm outta here. :bolt:

Seriously, Foot, to whine about the whiners is just as bad.

Ah, this seems to be the crux of the Cellars ills... and the country's ills.
Political philosophy, left or right, my way is the right way, your way is the highway. This is what I am and how I live my life.

Well you know what, thats bullshit. Nobody does that, nobody. How you feel about any subject doesn't stem from left or right. It's always personal experiences of you, friends, or family, that cause your opinion. Most people forget they have an opinion, not the answer.

I have two friends. One is a hard right Teapublican, the other is a don't care/don't vote. Occasionally the Teapublican and I argue politics, while the other guy rolls his eyes. But we are still friends, because there's a whole lot more to people and life, than religion and politics.

I've always been an opinionated motherfucker, suspicious but curious about people who are different. The Cellar has exposed me to a shitload of people who are different, to say the least.:lol: But like soylent green, it's people.

We have things we share in common, and things we disagree on, but most interesting is why. What in your life caused your opinion to differ from mine. You people have certainly caused me to change my opinion on some things, and reinforced my opinion on others.
I thank you for that... and the boobs. :blush:

(I'm not singling out Trilby, she just happen to state what I think is a/the problem with much of the world.)

I had a thread where I specifically asked people to insult me.

As I recall it was a very popular thread...:p

Sounds great to me. If rkzenrage comes back can you take care of him too?

Hi Pico! Where have you been hiding? Was I whining about whiners, or are you just saying? I guess one could opacity to my list of shortcomings.

We're just too darn sophisticated and worldly to confine our insults to any one thread. We have to outsult each other across all of them.

FWIW - none of the other generous people here were the subject of this thread. Several of them have done much for me personally as well. However, if you want to take those others like Jim, Big V, Bruce etc. and equate them and their actions to those of Merc. All I have to say is thank you, you proved my point for me. Unfortunately, instead of reflecting upon what I tried to say, you, as usual, chose to point fingers. Sad, but typical.

Lookout & Bruce, as usual, were far better in expressing much of what I tried to convey last night.

You were just wound up... and your father smelt of elderberries. :p:

Don't cry for me, Classictina.

God. You really are...what? How to express what I'm feeling right now? I'm feeling...confused because...because...

You are----DENSE!

That's it; you're dense if you think I think anybody actions or words or anything equates them with the mercster.
and Baby Boy, no, I DO NOT fucking 'reflect' on anything you 'try' to say because you are DENSE.

And the fingers I was pointing? They were at dwellars who have done good things. Maybe if Merc bought me a Beemer......nah. Still wouldn't like the asshole.

Merry Christmas, classsic. Birds of a feather and all that.

Merc is clearly classicman's HERO.

Henceforth, he shall be known as Merc the Heroic.

He gave. He gave and gave and gave.


then, one day, he rode off into the sunset, never to be seen by the ignorant people who shunned his Brilliance and Generosity. *sobs* IF only we had KNOWN!!!

Yeah. I'm pretty bored today but still. I like to feel the blood flow just as much as the next gal.

and bruce, as much as I appreciate your trying to deflect all the world's ills onto my shoulders, I can say the same thing: some people you like, some you don't and some you just don't give a shit about and it usually has NOTHING to do with any one particular thing about them---maybe you don't like the way I part my hair. All I know for sure is your opinion of me is none of my business and 99% of the time people are thinking of themselves and not the other guy----until the other guy A) really fucks up B) really does something cool or C) pisses a lot of people off. See? I DO get how the world works! I really do!

Now how about that cuddlefest?

My disagreement with Bruce's "let's all be friends cause its not all about politics" is... it is all about politics. I see the world in terms of political motivations and realities. Politics, public policy, and institutional oppression are present in every facet of modern life. So, when I'm talking to a mostly-apolitical person who more or less sits somewhere on my end of the spectrum, we can talk about music, movies, tv, the weather, idgaf, whatever. But with someone on the far end of the spectrum - I can't talk to a racist, sexist, homophobic scumbag about just about anything, because their bigotry is always relevant. It's not "oh, you're okay except when you shit on minorities, so stop doing that so much so we can hang out" - it's "you're such a shitbird, you shit on minorities, you need to stop defending your bigotry before we can talk about anything else at all."

You all need to understand that intersectionality of oppressions is a BIG DEAL, and that microagressions are a BIG DEAL. You don't have to know you're saying something wrong - microaggressing - to be doing it, and you won't necessarily always see it when other people talk, either.
Racists, sexists, bigots of all stripes, will microagress nearly constantly, in conversations seemingly unrelated to bigotry. Calling them out isn't stifling the vibrancy or strength of our community - it's promoting it.
Why do you think The Cellar is so overwhelmingly populated by white people?
Why is making this a safe space for GSM people less important than making it a safe space for bigotry?
Why is having bigoted conservatives more important to the cellar - their growing absence is lamented more in this thread and across the board - than having more than a handful of PoC, more than a few queers, more participation from any and every minority group or oppressed people?
There are more points of view and diversity of opinion than "white liberal" and "white conservative". Where are all the people boo-hooing over the fact that we have way fewer active PoC than active conservatives?

Ibs, if the Cellar was a safe place for bigotry it wouldn't erupt like a fucking guyser most of the times bigotry is openly expressed.

But every time bigotry is pointed out there are just as many pro-bigotry (=anti-calling-it-out-lets-just-get-along) voices as anti-bigotry voices.
And every time someone laments the passing of bigots "other opinions" from our board, it makes the other bigots all that much more secure in staying.

No, Ibby, it's all about PEOPLE. You're the classic 'I love mankind, it's people I can't stand' Bolshevist. You relish your delicious vicarious victimization, when you've never experienced anything more painful than waiting for the seniors you sent out into the snow to buy you booze to return so you can double-check the receipts to make sure they didn't rip you off. Goddamned seniors need to be sent the way of Boxer once they outlive their usefulness in providing for your addictions, right?

Before you say one more thing, before you demand that one more human being on this planet do as you say, you need to be parachuted into some remote place where mommy and daddy don't pay for your booze and drugs and cheese, where you need to work your ass off to hopefully scrape a meagre meal at the end of the day, and then do it again for years ... where you will suffer serious physical harm for calling everyone who disagrees with you a CUNT ... where you need to shut your mouth and do more thinking, indulge in far less verbal diarrhea in the presence of people who have actually lived and suffered and grieved and persevered in the face of tons of 'unfairness'. Because life is unfair. Once you venture out from between your parents' legs you'll find that that's the case. And the best way of learning something about the world is to STFU and observe, and stop bleating your hubris into the darkness long enough to actually listen.

You need only look in the mirror to see a huge racist, sexist, heterophobic scumbag bigot. You've been well indoctrinated. You don't have a single original thought; everything you spew is worked-over rants from bigger minds and bigger souls than yours.

Let go of the parental lifeline and go live your life for ten years; then continue shutting up for ten more years; then maybe, maybe, think about saying something. Chances are it'll be something much more tempered, much more compassionate, than anything that has occurred to your fevered, drugged up little brain thus far.

I wouldn't have said any of this if I thought you were worthless. God help me, since I posted that no one is worthless you have challenged my statement every single day. Prove me wrong.

No. They are not the same thing.

People here have less to fear from bigots than they do from being intolerably irritating.

That's way harsh, Ortho. I dont like the way this whole thing panned out and I really didn't want this to turn into an anti Merc thread, but Ibs has good reason to feel anger towards him. And to hold up Ibs' life and say she doesn;t know the meaning of suffering, which is in effect what you are saying, and doesn't know the meaning of struggle dismisses life experiences that neither of us have or understand.

I disagree, Dana. If I don't know every detail of Ibby's life, neither does Ibby know the details of the lives she judges, condemns, and dismisses from the safety of her paid-for college situation. Ibby craps on the life experiences of those who have fought, suffered, and continued to struggle for everything she holds dear. Ibby wants to tell everyone how to live, but Ibby hasn't lived yet. Some irony? Ibby is a misandrist heterophobe by her own declaration, yet bigot she is not, by her own assertion. I call bullshit. Ibby is a child who has dutifully absorbed every scrap of information, regardless of bias, that feeds her resentments and rages and desire for vicarious violence, and spews it all back at others as gospel.

I avoid Ibby whenever possible. It's usually easy, because Ibby, by her own admission, doesn't frequent threads where people actually communicate concern for each other. But - I am tired of being called names when Ibby doesn't even know me; I'm tired of Ibby ordering people around and calling people vile names when she doesn't know the first thing about those people. And she certainly only knows that shades exist, that multiple aspects are relevant, in her own case. She doesn't extend that courtesy to anyone else.

I have lived and suffered things Ibby knows absolutely nothing about, including being truly hungry on an ongoing basis. I've lived in places Ibby knows nothing about, but oh no, Ibby knows all. Ibby will instruct us all. I think Ibby would benefit most by shutting up for a long time and going out into the world and just surviving, and learning, and seeing that people have many sides, good and bad. The world just isn't all about Ibby.

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I love it when people go out of their way to prove to me that they're awful people.
ANYONE who is more butthurt about people calling out oppression than people perpetrating oppression instantly lets me write them off. Handy, ain't it?

Ibby, that last post just lost you my respect. Childish, racist, and the message is self-centred and false.

i think I explained somewhere in this thread that, you might not agree, but I absolutely believe that upholding oppression, ignoring oppression, promoting oppression, and most of all telling oppressed people how the oppressors think they should fix their oppression are all equally oppressive.

It is indeed a tragedy that Ibby has migrated towards sociopathic tendencies like pensive pam; but, that's what fear does to people especially when exacerbated by alcohol and left untreated to manifest as paranoia.

:rolleyes: I'm sober as a stone, working on an essay for my Global Social Problems class about cissexism and transmisogyny.

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Oh, hey, do my first two paragraphs sound a lot like what I'm saying in this thread?
holy shit! they do!
maybe because... anyone who's studied institutional oppression in a serious way knows that I'm not talking out of my ass, but rather, I'm advocating the academic consensus?
What? you mean there's more to oppression than your widdle hurt fee-fees? Damn right there is!
Does Ibby maybe have the slightest idea what she's talking about, having taken at least five college-level classes on various aspects of oppression/human rights, and more importantly, talked extensively with activists and actual oppressed people about their experiences and the realities of oppression? Damn right she has!

So, whatever, call me juvenile, call me reverse-racist. I'll call you oppressor.
I'll be right, and history will prove you wrong when things get slowly better without you.

edit to add:
If I am afraid, it is because I fear my oppressors. If I am afraid, it is because clearly the Cellar is not the safe space that I once thought of it as. If I am afraid, it is people like you I fear. If I am afraid, it proves you are in the wrong. If I am afraid, it is only right that I strike back at those who would oppress me.

Maybe you should go to a trade school, learn welding or HVAC... I'm only half-kidding.

The Cellar: Where calling somebody a bigot is worse than being one!
(i kid, I kid.)
(...mostly.)

You are afraid and disproportionately so. Your sober moments are tainted by your chronic alcoholism and transcendent paranoia. You lack the raw intelligence to do anything other than strike back like a wounded animal and you wear your identity like a handicapped placard on your sleeve. You're a disgrace to any cause you advocate for as long as you're a self made nobody hiding behind a virtual wall crying wolf. Being afraid proves nothing about anyone else as your judgment is that of a coward who like other impotent cowards has become addicted to attention whoring as a substitute for meaningful relationships. Try sociopaths anonymous.

Whoa. What? I can't tell if you're projecting or just making shit up whole cloth?Like, okay, i drink beer. yeah? What's your point? I'm not, like, a drunk. I have like two or three beers like two out of three nights? On weekends I sometimes go out with friends or make myself a couple cocktails? that doesn't sound like the kind of problem youre talking about, that sounds like... college.

I'm not even gonna touch that bit about my intelligence.

I wear my identity like someone like Sarge wears the Flag. Proudly, without shame or apology. I don't hold anything about it back, including my absolute belief in social justice and shining a light on oppression, calling it out, whenever i see it. If that's like a handicapped placard to you, we must have a different idea of what the placard represents.

I don't hide behind a virtual wall. I call people out in public. I risk my actual physical safety doing this kind of thing in real life. People get just as frothingly upset as you are, now, at having their shit pointed out, in real life, too. I stand my ground as long as it's safe to.

I'm a nobody, sure. cause i'm a 21 year old student. I don't think I know more than a handful of 21-year-old college students who arent nobodies?

I don't understand what there is about telling oppressors that they're being oppressive that is cowardly. People get killed every day in this country for standing up to oppressors, by pissing off patriarchal men, by being too black too late at night, for refusing to conform to gender roles, for loving the wrong person, or the wrong gender, in the wrong neighboorhood. There are people here on this site who know my full name, and the city I live in, and in fact could find where in the city i live pretty easily. If this were a site like 4chan or reddit i would be getting death threats right about now. I personally know quite a few people who HAVE gotten death threats. In the cellar, I only get ad hominem vitriol from many, ambivalence from most. On a site where people actually care about not being oppressive, i would get apologies and "gosh, I didn't realize that saying things like that is offensive/wrong/harmful! What could I say instead that would be less oppressive?".
I'm sorry i hurt your feefees but you're being ridiculous. if you cared half as much about shutting down oppressors as you do about defending them you'd be a powerful ally for justice.

I just wanted to let you know how your virtual communication style makes others feel. Did you enjoy it?

I'm sorry if I hurt your feefees but you've been obnoxious. If you cared half as much about gaining allies as you do about shutting down oppressors you'd be a powerful advocate for justice.

Aww, does the ally want a cookie?

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Yeah, no, we make fun of allies. Allies are part of the problem, people patting themselves on the back while refusing to confront their own actions. Just being an ally doesn't excuse you from being oppressive.

EDIT oh sorry almost forgot my favorite cookie

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see also http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc9qpmCFPT1qhisau.png, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc...k3tso1_500.png, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb...k3tso1_400.png,
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...ao2_r1_400.jpg ("things allies say"), http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...o10_r1_400.jpg (more "things allies say"), http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9iwdqF82h1qar70f.jpg (that thing you're all saying)...

That's precisely what you're doing and it's making you persona non grata.
Just being oppressed doesn't excuse you from making allies for the cause.

You've obviously placed yourself above your cause. The last refuge of a scoundrel is her cause.

Notice I don't need pictures to communicate as do the disgruntled peasants.

...yes it does! Allies HURT causes, not HELP them.

I see that you're emotionally unstable and no longer an appropriate candidate for "community" intervention. As with others like you who have passed through these forums, I will abstain from further intervention and recommend the same to others (until Ibby warrants a time out vis-à-vis pensive pam).

Allyship in a nutshell.

That's not happening.

Nope, just a misapplication of psychology by a layman in a vain attempt to rationalize untoward behavior. A loser's hand. You've got to know when to fold 'em.

It's already happened with those who have dropped out and no longer support the cellar, fool.

:rolleyes:

Smile when you say that boy. Oh, I see that you did. Keep up the good work.

basically, sexobon, your argument is that... i'm being oppressive and bad myself by calling out oppressive people, and since i'm doing so belligerently, i'm hurting my cause by alienating potential allies, right?

That's what they've said about every radical social movement ever. and yet social movements don't work but on the backs of their radical wing! No deification of MLK without Malcolm X. No deification of Gandhi without riots and radicals. No whitewashed modern gay rights movement without Stonewall.
I'm stonewall, bitches, every minute of every day. I'm not gay as in happy, i'm queer as in fuck you. I'm actually out there trying to make the lives of ALL my queer brothers and sisters better, not just the white cis male ones, and that means fighting all the intersectionalities of oppression that trans men, trans women, queer MoC, queer WoC, trans MoC, trans WoC, rich queers, poor queers, and every other combination of intersectionality there is.
If you don't like it, you could try not being oppressive, instead of bitching at me for having a problem with it.

I'll take that for what it's worth coming from a done nothing heterophobe.

To use an unrelated statement by UT: I like you; but, not that much.

I only say that because I've known people are were so much better at your game than you are.

Do you honestly, really think there's a such thing as heterophobia? Really?
When's the last time a straight person suffered for their straightness?
I'll wait.

In your paranoid hands, yes indeed, a lot of decent people are suffering. Have you no compassion for them, no tolerance for their transition? Is instant gratification everything to you? You don't relinquish anything by being patient with people in the Cellar. You sacrifice everything by pushing them before they're ready. That's the difference between knowledge and experience. It's something you've failed to recognize. So be it. You failed. Let it be a lesson to others like you. You're beyond redemption.

Whose transition to what? Who am I causing to suffer? What am I paranoid about? What have I failed to recognize? I literally have no clue what you mean?

I'm sorry that you're an uninformed dolt; but, I'm not sorry about your finger.

You don't like the dismissive smilie response? It's classic Merc!