Dov, you have absolutely no right to sneer, no matter how vociferously you claim it: it's invalid. Also, it would be masochistic of you to try, for the harder you do, the more I chainsaw and sandbag you for leftwing lunacy: totalitarianism and supporting totalitarianism are things of the Left, after all. I can last longer than you can -- we're of an age, but I think better than you do and am permanently ready to prove it, at least to the objective observer.

It's inaccurate to speak of my being "a fan of anarchy". I am untroubled by the instability that is occurring as Iraq transitions from socialist oligarchy to greater democracy, and since Afghanistan's condition with or without outsiders taking an interest is but slightly removed from anarchy anyway, I'd hardly call their condition deteriorated from when the Taliban were fucking the place up -- and, I think, allowing opium/heroin trafficking. Afghanis are always going to be ornery; their geography very much encourages that, along with their linguistic situation, et cetera at some length.

The reason I'm untroubled is that shifts from an old order to a new one are always at least somewhat iffy, and the blasts of car bombs remain largely in one part of the country, and not the other two ethnic areas. They've been killing people for two and a half years now, and are they any closer to carrying the day with Iraqis? No. The Iraqi population is hitching its wagon to a different horse, that of representative democracy. The insurgents have absolutely nothing to offer but banditry now, and a future prospect of banditry institutionalized should, Allah forfend, they ever get back in power by ANY means.

Getting OBL is not the same as getting Al-Qaeda, which is what really has to happen to win. Al-Qaeda has to be deprived of the "sea of the people" that the guerrillas swim in. Capturing OBL would be more of a cherry on top rather than something essential to mopping AQ up, and would happen after AQ gets repudiated by their fans in Waziristan and the tribal territories in northwestern Pakistan.

Such WMD as survive are probably in Syria, whose Ba'athist government is keeping its head well down, doubtless grateful that Iran's nuclear endeavors are getting all the attention. There does seem to be evidence that WMD went to Syria -- you'll recall the aborted twinned-agent Sarin attack attempted on Amman, Jordan. The Jordanians got these guys, who had trucked about twenty tons of the stuff out of Syria. I've never heard that Syria was a twinned-agent Sarin producer. Even had the attack succeeded, what benefit could the fanatics have realized? I think it would be thoroughly negative, as the entire Islamic world would have been appalled at such an internecine attack. Our self-made, self-declared enemies (and they are your enemies too, if you're really any description of Jew) are a real bouquet of assholes. I don't see any validity in opposing efforts to wipe 'em slick.

The Taliban actually destroyed a vast majority of Opium poppy crops. It's only since the 'invasion' that things have 'gotten back to normal' over there as far as poppy seeds go.

Is this good or bad? Much of Afghanistans economy is fueled by opium exports derived from either legal or non-legal sources/purposes. (undoubtedly, most people here realize Morphine and all it's derivitives are a product of opium)

To the poor farmer trying to make a buck, I'll bet he's happy the US came and got rid of the Taliban. To the parent who's child dies of a heroin overdose...I'm not so sure.

:p

You win,UG,I have had my fill with this thread, time to play elsewhere.

Btw, you don't know shit about who my enemies are, and I have played your game more than once too many times. Good thing its not vinyl or tape but lazar disk they use to program you, because your rhetoric would have dulled out years ago.

Not bad 100 plus posts my first thread.

Darling you do not have to highjack this thread, I am giving it to you, une cadeaux. Treat it well and I hope it will be as good to you as it was for me.

Ta Ta

Ahhh...no highjacking intended. ;) Just thought I'd correct a minor error.

I'm still figuring out how a thread about Canada now being the proud owners of a Conservative government turned into another discussion about the rights and wrongs of Iraq and co.

The Cellar Raises Thread Piracy to High Art.

Somebody remind me to post that in the taglines thread, 'kay?

I think I should get myself a tagline. There are some good ones here. You're all so....hmmmm...what's the word? Glib? :) I'm not sure if I can come up with anything good enough. :(

Don't sweat it. It takes years of honing.

But I don't have time for years of honing! I want a glib tag line now!!!

Brain pick? You know, dov could turn a strangers friendly smile, RE: :) into an insult. VOILA! The magic of the French, non?

Now, i'm going away. I don't want to have to be taunted a second time! ;)

Now you've got it, don't argue with idiots. You'll do well. :thumb:

dov, not because I doubt your smarts, but because you're new here, I offer a couple of translations, no charge. Welcome aboard.

You have no rights. *I'm* the sherriff in this here town, I'll tell you what rights you have. *I'll* tell you what you can think and what you can't.

Until then, just shut up.

Oh, and I'm smarter than you. (dov, no need to remember this one, it features in every other post)

Bot.

That's three votes now.

Hey IG, here's a hint: you can't smell through the internet (thank goodness.) Open a window.

Hello, Pot, my name is Kettle!

You have no rights. *I'm* the sherriff in this here town, I'll tell you what rights you have. *I'll* tell you what you can think and what you can't.

Beat you to it. We know, IG, we know already.

because it's all I understand, although I sometimes pronounce it "liberation".
and on and on and on, ad nauseum. [/public service announcement]

edit: fixed tyop

Brianna your just too dam tauntable.

Hi xo and v, ty, see you around, elsewhere.

This thread has been good to me and I am respecting it by not milking it dry. It gave me what I hoped it would, I got to know a few posters and them me.

byeeeeee

dov:

Your thread title: We lost.

[hijack]Perhaps "you'll" win this one. Are you rooting for your ex-pat?[/hijack]

It is an honour, V, but we really do not care. There was no season last year, re strike and lock out, but now, it is Hockey Night in Canada.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

You all look different from down under. :D

lol...nice one Bruce. I'll take it under careful consideration. ;)

Brador=canadian colt45

'ere ya go, mate ;)

I want a glib tag line now!!!

:thumb:

Harper seems like a good guy.

Another ally on the war on terror

Well, V, your long and allegedly rebutting post gave me my first big LOL for today -- though more on account of you being ridiculous than you being fun. Really, V, all things being equal -- I'd really rather you weren't being ridiculous, okay? We are not wholly without sympathy for each other, but come on.

I see dov collapsed once I turned my attention to him -- and worse than Happy Monkey. The Left people just don't have the strength -- they wimp right out, and loudly abandon the field, claiming unfairness. Comes of bad ideas, boo raucous hoo. Me, I never abandon the field, because my opposition's unfairnesses are things to attack, attack, attack, attack, attack. You don't want to get overwhelmed, don't write fatuity -- not when good sense is so much better.

Winners look like me; losers look like dov. Take a lesson.

You bore me. If or when you have anything remotely interesting to say, I may consider responding. No guarantees, but that is academic. I do not expect any pearls of wisdom emitting from you.

Unfortunately, it's not a battlefield, it's a hay field, and you only attack straw men. And when somebody turns out not to actually be the straw man you're attacking, you claim victory. But it seems to make you happy.

A quick show of hands, please. HoF material? Sharp, succinct, on target. I have difficulty with this one because the majority of posts by each of them are irritatingly ludicrous and combative. And then once in a while, they say something plainly, and it stands out in stark contrast.

Is the post worthy by the cellar's standards? Or is it just a personal record for dov?

not

I think it's only working for you because of pre-existing animosity towards UG.

Viewed in isolation, dov is still an ass.

I never made any claims that I was rebutting anything you said. You're just making that up. Go back and check (or not), you'll see I offered a translation of your remarks to a newish member.

Ridiculous? Coming from you I consider that an expert opinion. But your preferences regarding my behavior or tone of voice are a matter of monumental indifference to me. You're right. We have very occasionally supported the same side of a discussion. The trend I have noticed is in all those cases, your tone of voice is much more civil. In fact, when you are not civil, I am strongly inclined to oppose you based on your attitude. I would find that kind of dialog (diatribe) obnoxious and unworthy of my serious attention, regardless of the "side" you're on.

Notice the rest of your post. This is the BS I'm talking about. It's just talking trash, flaming. Whatever. When you abandon civility, you lose my interest and my support . When you adopt bigotry and prejudice, you orphan your readers. When you fling mud, all you get is dirty.

Attack attack attack==quack quack quack. dov's right--boring.
Lesson learned? You look like a jerk. Irrespective of who is proclaimed the winner or loser. Just a boring jerk.

Two thumbs down so far. I'm glad I asked. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks.

UG does not inspire the feelings of sheer headache-ary that the Canuck does. Just by pass them both, BigV. Life is too short!

maybe we need a 'HALL OF SHAME'........ just saying.

So is ug. :neutral:

http://www.cellar.org/images/moresmilies/thumb.gif A thumb up here.

HoF works for those, too. Check it out. It's a place where the best can rest and it works for jerks.
Score:

Up 1
Down 2
Abstentions 2

Up 1
Down 2
Abstentions 2
I don't give a shit 1 :rolleyes:

Two days and I am the talk of the town.

Two days and my opening thread is 156.

Bac, my personal favourite, relative to lies and ignorance, will easily hit 100 plus.

Vets is closest to my heart, to me they are a tragedy and I feel for them, it is beyond posting. Vets should be the number one American issue, (it won’t be), in terms of impact, more so than the eight trillion, Abu Ghraib, social security, and OBL, etc.

Someone dear to me figured out why AQ have not attacked yet,
(they will.)

AQ is waiting for about 700k psychotic vets to return and do AQ’S job for them.

I inquired when I first arrived if I needed to stick to Pollyanna. You said no, go for it. I am going for it.

Silly to judge me so quickly, I am going through growing pains, new sight. I am human and have insecurities. It has been my nature to push buttons when I am in a new environment, sit back and watch the reactions. I would not call this a positive character trait, good or bad it works for me. If anyone is thin skinned and have allowed my manipulation to harm you, I am sorry. Personally, I could never understand it, being emotional over some black squiggly lines on a white background.

There are some here I like and respect and I believe I will continue to.

There are some who are shit, always been shit and always will be shit.

I am enjoying myself here, a good format and an eclectic group of posters.

Thank you

man. i wish i had the time i used to. lots of shit to stir here.

back to work

Dov....we are greeting your new government in what is becoming a US tradition with our allies:

dux, wasn’t warning shots. They were shooting to kill. (and they were such shitty shooters they missed)

dux, you are one of the more aware, politically wise, international, domestic, that I have the pleasure of knowing.

I would be willing to bet, (sorry I never, ever, gamble, it is a figure of speech), I am pretty sure you are not aware to the extent that, I would say humble, Canadian soldiers are presently doing in Afghanistan. (No green zone for them, not that the green zone is safe as we all know. 1001 ways to fuck up an invasion.)

Dux, already over forty percent of those young men (my sons are 21 years old, I identify) have PTSD. They are very sick human beings and will be for the remainder of their lives, which may not be a long life. Almost 100 have killed themselves there, and that is the figure that squeezed its way into the sunlight.

Depleted Uranium? Another day, when she joins us.

Most of those boys are a might jumpy. Car? Moving? Shoot?

If it was the same professional hit squad that assassinated Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari and wounded Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, (they were not after Sgrena, she would be dead if they were, they killed the bigger fish, Calipari.)

Same squad? A Canadian would not be left alive in that car if it were their mission.

Armatures shot the car and windshield.

Not. Dov's a wimp. His claims of superior intelligence and wisdom don't convince.

Fabrication, some people call it lying or slander. I call it stupidity.

Show me my claim.

spin spin spinnnnnnnnn, enjoy.

Dux, its becoming a habit.

We feel so much more secure now that the U.S. State Department is calling it regrettable.

Could have been worse. Oops, it was worse.

Dux, I am sure you remember when the Americans dropped bombs on our Canadian troops.


Later I will check out how many Brits were murdered, ummm. PC, I mean were killed by friendly fire.

Dammit, I will have to incorporate reporters murdered, ooops, killed by friendly American fire in Iraq along with the Brit stats. I bet reporters win. Nam has to be in the post somewhere, I am sure, probably reporters killed in Nam verses reporters killed in Iraq, correlating Nan was much longer.

later.

journalists

Very meaty stuff.

Later.