Of course you wanted these as well... you old white educated urban, you:

http://cellar.org/img/politicalprejudice2.jpg

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It just stands to reason, if they don't agree with my political philosophy they are morons of such low IQ it would be a waste of time talking with them as they have nothing to teach me.

I'm curious to see how those maps would change depending on who happens to be President in a given year. My guess is that whichever party is out-of-power will be angrier, and anger leads to greater caricature and "othering."

I also find it interesting how many "most" and "least" counties are right next to each other, even far away from the obvious urban/suburban divides. Seems like a small change puts you at the other end of the sample.

The Atlantic piece suggests that is true; in the 2014 Pew survey, Republicans were less tolerant, and today Democrats are less tolerant.

There is also apparently an Economist chart showing how polarization is still growing, as part of the Ds shift further left (a move not all Ds are comfy with and may lead to a realignment IMO).

A timeline of the band Free:

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Keep in mind this is not the national debt, this is the yearly deficit added to the debt.

I think this is possible. The Dems have been a center right party cloaked in identity politics since Clinton. This seems to have gutted the Republicans of non-religious moderates and also gave left wingers nowhere to go. May you live in interesting times.

DARPA starts a company, then that company spins off another, then an existing DARPA startup morphs into something else, then THAT company develops it's "purpose", then creates something a bit different but with a similar theme, and on and on and on...

DARPA---Google---LifeLog---FaceBook---YouTube---Twitter---23andMe---The Brain Initiative---AncestoryDotCom---LinkedIn

All taking every aspect of your life and placing it in a life log. Individually they seem cool enough. Take a step back and maybe not as much so.

Data from every aspect of your life being collected. And shared. For one great big file about YOU ( and me ).

No, that's not disturbing. :eek3: They are all working for my best interests. :crazy:

And so much of it starts with DARPA.

What are you afraid of?

I'm nervous about these things. I don't trust them. Despite all "safe guards" we rarely truly understand what is really going on behind the scenes. Do you? I respectfully suggest that not you or anyone that isn't in their staff meetings doesn't.

BIGs. Big government, big tech, big medical, big anything. Big policy, big control, big legal.

Especially centralized BIGs.

I trust you as a friend far more than a corporation or government agency.

You don't have the power of those but I can trust you more.

Trust no one.

Do you really want to live in a world where you can't trust anybody not to tell everybody where the bodies are buried?

I live in this world you describe. Want doesn't enter into it.

Don't forget to shovel the roof...

DARPA didn't start Google or any those companies that' I'm aware. Links?

I went through a long time where I didn't trust -- but after 25 years of that, I noticed that 100% of my fears never occurred. They were just conspiracy theories in my own mind. I dropped it all, and I am happier for it.

Back in the day - the late 80s/90s - we believed that if we got a supermarket club card, the supermarkets would collect our data and sell it to insurance companies, who would then apply that data to figure out who had/were going to have health issues, and raise our rates.

People were busy doing things like working out fake phone numbers and names and whatnot so they could keep using the club cards

Huge, almost viral fear. Problem is, it never happened. I have never even heard of anything bad happening with club card data. Not once, and I worked IT for a supermarket with club cards.

Now I'm past middle age and I do not recall ANY similar fear coming to fruition. Nothing has happened to me or anyone I know. I await evidence; I do not believe anything without evidence. Until then, my real data is on all my club cards; I gleefully use my real name on everything; and I do not engage in one moment of worry about it.

Wasn't it DARPA projects that sparked the desire to hook the universities to electronically pass information and messages? If so, being the start of the internet DARPA should get some credit I suppose.
So you're saying if it's going on it hasn't negatively affected you, that you're are aware of.

I figure if Google can profit from all the dirt they have on me good for them, small reward for providing me with Chrome, Gmail, Earth, and search.

They have zero involvement in Google, just like the guy who invented asphalt has zero involvement in my driveway.

Yes. And you? And the rest of us? Bring out your evidence, everyone, all the bad things that have happened. I would like to hear the very worst of it.

(And if you're not aware of it, how bad can it be?)

The NSA's mass surveillance program seemed pretty bad. And pretty consistent with decades of privacy fears. Assuming equivalence (which there isn't) wouldn't you say the 'grocery store club card' anecdote and the 'government is spying on everybody' anecdote, "cancel" each other out*?



*that's not how it works, but if it did

It's a good example.

Examples do not have to "cancel each other out".

Would you say that the harm done to you by the NSA spying would be greater than, or less than, the harm done to you by worrying about the privacy of your information for 50 years? I do not know the extent of the NSA spying, other than to collect call data via the FISA courts.

(Aside: in my work in telephony, I have seen an awful lot of raw call data. It's super boring.)

That's a good question.

Personally, it's hard for me to answer. Because I don't care about, or worry about privacy anymore. I think that ship has sailed, and nothing I can do will change that, so I wrote it off. It doesn't occupy any of my thoughts.

I guess, it's still, potentially a bad idea, in that it could be misused.

But, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TBF it did involve exactly the kind of collusion slang is talking about though.

It's not really the example I was talking about. I would like to know the worst thing that has happened to you or your family from your data

I understand that the NSA spying was used, on occasion, for the wrong purpose. I understand that means it could have been used on me. But it's also like, my girlfriend doesn't work at the NSA so I'm cool. If they look at my stuff they will find I am not a terrorist. I am pretty boring. I drive a Rogue (for fuck's sake). I watch less porn than the average person, which means I believe I watch too much.

I have offered up huge amounts of my life just because it was fun to share. I am not scared anything will happen. It never has. I have just kept on living.

Nope, hasn't affected me that I'm aware of, however it may when Putin or Fatty III become our overlords. :D

DARPA LifeLog

The objective of the LifeLog concept was "to be able to trace the 'threads' of an individual's life in terms of events, states, and relationships", and it has the ability to "take in all of a subject's experience, from phone numbers dialed and e-mail messages viewed to every breath taken, step made and place gone".[1]

The DARPA program was canceled in January, 2004, after criticism from civil libertarians concerning the privacy implications of the system.[4] The same month Facebook launches and some people speculate that Facebook might (?) be a continuation of the Life Log project. [5]

[1]"Pentagon Explores a New Frontier In the World of Virtual Intelligence"

[4] Pentagon Kills LifeLog Project

[5]Darpa's LifeLog "canceled" the same day Facebook was founded (Feb 4, 2004).


What are people of this age always looking for? Better ways of doing almost everything. Better analysis and prediction of trends and understanding complexities previously unused, not understood or even unaware of.

Data. To "improve" everything. To create more comprehensive, more economical and effective systems and processes.

Is it incomprehensible that government and industry would not want to collect all possible data to create "better" policies, procedures and conclusions? For their benefit and not necessarily ours?


The Long Read: Google – Seeded By The Pentagon

"By Dr Nafeez Ahmed – Insurge Intelligence: As our governments push to increase their powers, INSURGE INTELLIGENCE can now reveal the vast extent to which the US intelligence community is implicated in nurturing the web platforms we know today, for the precise purpose of utilizing the technology as a mechanism to fight a global ‘information war’ — a war to legitimize the power of the few over the rest of us."

What are your citizens wanting to know about? What are they searching for online? How can you appear to be of help to people while effectively learning their trends in real time?

You could create Google. Or F***book, or Youtube, or Twitter, or 23andMe, etc. They aren't evil, you know.

But it's just me, I'm the only guy creeped out by all this. :headbag: :lol2:

Ugh. I'm sorry you think that is evidence.

:headbag: :blush:

[MuffledByPaperBag]

Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com not credible?

Let me see if I can hack into DoD and look around. This might take some time.

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They don't say what you say they say!

This is kind of what I'm saying. I've heard these kinds of things thrown at the wall my entire lifetime. I don't recall any of them turning out to be the case. So now I'm never convinced by this variety of weak-ass shit.

One dude and a website ain't cuttin' it for me. /r/conspiracy, give me a fuckin' break. I need to see documents and results.

All the documents and reports on results were gathered but unfortunately were stored at Benghazi and destroyed in the fire.
Of course information of this importance couldn't be just backed up any old place unsecured, so they can't be reconstructed.
Pretty obvious the Pope, Jews, and Masons were in on it. :unsure:

Ok, Ok, I hear you. Let me see if I can get something better.


slang [picks up the phone...starts dialing] ringing....

Ac Sec Shanahan Central Command, may I oppress you? This phone call is being recorded, your geographical position triangulated and your voice being loaded into voice stress analysis software.

slang Yah-huh, is Pat available to take a call? It's slang.

Ac Sec Shanahan slang.

slang Yah. He'll know me. Haven't spoken in a while but, trust me, he'll know who I am.

Ac Sec Shanahan ....

slang I'm a US citizen. He likes US citizens.

Ac Sec Shanahan ...Please hold for the Secretary....

slang Great, thanks.

Ac Sec Shanahan Wha wha blah blahbidy blah

slang Hey, hiyadoin'. Looks like you're moving up in the world.

Ac Sec Shanahan Blabby blah kaddy du. Be bop de op! :lol:

slang Yes, yes. Congratulations. Even with the "acting"

Ac Sec Shanahan Dubity doo wa kah?

slang Listen, I got myself in a jam-

Ac Sec Shanahan Piddy ku gun ka?

slang No, no, not that serious of a jam. The thing is, I'm posting on the cellar.org. in defense of my own knowledge of :lol: not exactly trusting all you mother effers.

Ac Sec Shanahan Ku bit blah kah? Meoh Ack so?

slang Oh, you're looking at it now, great. Thing is I need some better proof or at the very least, evidence links to post that you guys are gearin' up to give us a royal screwin' with all this "social media" crap.

Ac Sec Shanahan Hmmm. Bedi ang lami? Blah blahh ni ka?

slang Yes, yes, I posted links from Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com. Not impressed.

Ac Sec Shanahan Dibah. Ang ak so nu blah blah? :lol:

slang Is there ANYTHING in the public realm that you might give me in defense of my paranoia? Links? Documents? Maybe testimony? Something?

Ac Sec Shanahan Hinah. Bit do sik ah.

slang Well, that's sorta what I thought. DENIED. Even for an old pal?

Ac Sec Shanahan Hinah. Bit do sik ah. Pee de bot be ng round top. Mit ko na sah.

slang Yah, I just wrote that a few days ago.

Ac Sec Shanahan Hinah. Bit do sik ah.

slang No, no, no. I left your name out of it. You see any reference to "my old friend Patrick from teenage years" shooting a 22 pistol at cans on the pond?

Ac Sec Shanahan Dabee. Bla-ka dee bah na?

slang Read it. There's no mention of where the body is buried. Would I do that?

Ac Sec Shanahan Hmmmm. Gah-da-it mo ang na sa.

slang All right. You are not giving me classified info so that I can post links on the cellar in defense of my theory that you crazy m-effers are collecting every Fing thing we do online to be used against us at some point unknown and for reasons as yet unknown. And you are not happy for me even asking. Got it.

Ac Sec Shanahan blak-de-ba-na!! -[click!]-


Ok. That's my only wildcard. Not much else I can post or research here on this subject.

Oh, and just because you can't prove it without classified or proprietary information, doesn't mean it's not true.

Just sayin'

Noted. Thanks.

This isn't a f****book product by any chance?

Joking.

Sure; it's impossible to prove a negative. But having a question you don't know the answer to doesn't mean you can answer it however you prefer.

I do know the answer.

Ok, I've got some new sources. Better sources.

themillenniumreport.com and Secretary Patrick M. Shanahan send their regards.

I've got the entire weekend. Lot of reading to do.

what is even going on in here

Babbling Tagalog. ;)

Interesting graphs and charts!

Try spicing it up a little...
Kinky stuff, like graphs and charts fetishes!

Almost as expensive as spouses...

What is 'Almost as expensive as spouses'?

Ppl? Cars? Tigers on a gold leash? TVs? Key chains? Garden gnomes? Condoms? Manhole covers? Coke habits? Rabbits? Sex slaves? Houses? Pets? Children? Parents? Strippers? Straight-up whores? Politicians? Hard candy? Fences? Roofs? Carpet? Hard wood? Airplanes? Submarines? U.S. Marines? Annual Maintenance Cost graphs? Aquamarines? Trucks? Limited liability companies? Rose bushes? Kaepernicks? Smollets? Sexual misconduct claims?

Ooh, snap! IgotitIgotit!!!

Red Roof Inns. You're talking about Red Roof Inns, aren't ya?

I knew it.

Red roof? Isn't that just another indicator of a red light district?

Maybe Tom Bodett will leave the lights on.

Number one most popular book in each state.

2018 is a most fucked up chart. I hope the person who made it was, too. I hope everyone involved with it was fucked up beyond belief. If they weren't, they should have been, they might've made a better chart.

Re: 2016 (what is that Massachusetts? Watership Down)

I'm currently trying to watch Watership Down on NetFlix.

Turns out it's most popular book in each state for books that were read on the Scribd platform.

I know: "The what?"

Checked https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/ today, Trump's approval rating bumped back up after the shutdown scandal, to--you guessed it--almost exactly where it was a year ago. Literally nothing that happens can affect his approval over time--it's a pure, perfect split of made-up minds.

Wait a damn minute.

Re snow loads on roofs.

The ice on my roof is 92 percent water.. And 8 percent what? Presumably not water?
Perhaps they're suggesting it's air?

8% coldasfuckium?

2017 Massachusetts made me a bit sad. The author was a professor of mine.

♫ Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles)
In the ice (in the ice)
♫ Make me happy (make me happy)
Make me feel nice (make me feel nice)

I'm listening to Tiny Bubbles rfn.

Hadn't heard it in forever. Thx.:D

Who's the homebodies?

They are beginning to see common symbols between cave paintings in far flung corners of the earth, and speculating there was some common language.

Same symbols, but, did they have the same meanings?

A squiggle here means snake, a squiggle there might mean a river...

Provocative of thought.

That....is.....awesome

:lol2:

His name's Mimal.

You westerners, Mimal farts in your general direction.

BUtbutbut he's pissing in the chicken pan!!!!

And it's splashing on me.:greenface

I can't post the graph in the Cellar, because it's animation/software, but it's really worth clicking and checking out.

A population race between the largest cities of the world over half a millennium.