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Originally Posted by Flint

@Maggie It's clear that our posts actually state the same concept, IE every person is valid - It is a baseline quality, therefore it doesn't "mean" anything in relative terms.

It's not clear to me.

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Originally Posted by Tom Jefferson

We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that all men are created equal and independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent and unalienables, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Here we see "baseline qualities"--equal in every person--that have meaning. Some of Jefferson's contemporaries would have held that not all men are created equal. His statement conveys meaning, even though it asserts that these qualities are inherent in all people. (Of course in practice he fell short of honoring it where his slaves were concerned.)

But what does your assertion "every person is valid" mean?

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Originally Posted by The Free Dictionary

<h4>val·id <i>(adj.)</i></h3>
1. Well grounded; just: a valid objection.
2. Producing the desired results; efficacious: valid methods.
3. Having legal force; effective or binding: a valid title.
4. Logic
a. Containing premises from which the conclusion may logically be derived: a valid argument.
b. Correctly inferred or deduced from a premise: a valid conclusion.
5. Archaic Of sound health; robust.

Synonyms: valid, sound, cogent, convincing
These adjectives describe assertions, arguments, conclusions, reasons, or intellectual processes that are persuasive because they are well founded. What is valid is based on or borne out by truth or fact or has legal force: a valid excuse; a valid claim.
What is sound is free from logical flaws or is based on valid reasoning: a sound theory; sound principles.
Something cogent is both sound and compelling: cogent testimony; a cogent explanation.
Convincing implies the power to dispel doubt or overcome resistance or opposition: convincing proof.

Do any of the above meanings apply to your assertion? Or have you invented a new one?

@UT: That's a good one! It looks like a "Southpark" horse! (#1)

EDIT: Holy crap! Are they eating the dead horse?! (#2)

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

:dedhorse:

i saw this one, but he looks more like a lazy horse and he needs long mule ears. ;)

this one:

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

:dedhors2:

never heard of "eating a dead horse" unless of course one is talking "Farm Porn"

ewwww!

Ah, but there's a difference between a dead horse and a red herring.

"I don't actually have an answer so I'll claim that we agree and accuse you of beating a dead horse." is a red herring.

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Ah, but there's a difference between a dead horse and a red herring.

"I don't actually have an answer so I'll claim that we agree and accuse you of beating a dead horse." is a red herring.

Great! Now, I'm going to be thinking about rotten fish for the rest of the day!

@Maggie: Since you're so good at specifiying exactly what things are called, can you give me a catch-phrase to describe what you're doing? (you know, attempting to create conflict out of thin air, when you know perfectly well what the other person means)

The definition I am using for valid is "having a legitimate basis".

I wanna know how come women can have multiple multiple orgasims,.... while i'm good for 2 to 15 minutes, and then its nighty night.

You people can argue all you want, but lay off the damn horses. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Brianna

brucie-pie, with poetry some readings are more defendable than others. Some opinions are "more correct" (HA!) Ya know?:cool:

Precisely my point....if you have to defend the message you got from a poem, it's sure not a communication....it's a damn puzzle. :p

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Originally Posted by Flint

(you know, attempting to create conflict out of thin air, when you know perfectly well what the other person means)

But I don't "know perfectly well what you mean".

In fact, I suspect you emitted a string of words thinking it actually meant something when in fact it doesn't...and I have prompted you to elaborate on its meaning in the hope you may finally come to realize it has none. While it may have given you a nice warm relativist feeling to say it, it's semantically null.

So...when you say "all people are valid" you mean "all people have a legitimate basis". Thanks for clearing that up. Is it possible you're fond of saying "all people are valid" because it serves as a handy excuse for doing whatever you like? Nobody can challenge your point of view, because your "validity" is implictly equal to theirs, and you "have a legitimate basis".

Whatever that means.

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Originally Posted by Richard Mitchell

Words never fail. We hear them, we read them; they enter into the mind and become part of us for as long as we shall live. Who speaks reason to his fellow men bestows it upon them. Who mouths inanity disorders thought for all who listen.