dude, it's 9:20 on saturday morning, and there are 3 of us - flint, spexxvet, and me -- reading the cellar. we should all go outside and play catch.

Bri is here, too, I think. I'm at work and there's no doctor, so few patients.

Yo

so you guys wanna play catch?:juggle:

actually nvm i have to mow

*cough* I only pitch... you can catch if you want to. ;)

Easy way out? Have you seen the divorce rate? And they're just the ones that got tired of fighting. :lol:

No, I'm really not that cynical yet. I just couldn't resist.

Gay couples can be just as mean to each other as straights. At least they don't have to go thru all that legal BS a divorce usually involves. They should be grateful gay marriages are outlawed.;)

And just like gay "cure" programs, you could train a cat not to do either one of those things. That doesn't mean it isn't hardwired that they do it.

You seem certain that individual reproduction always has overall positive survival value, and that sexual behavior has no function besides reproduction.

I have doubts about both points.

Yes, I suggested once before the best tactic to convince the anti queer marriage people to change their mind, is put a bug in their ear about queers are getting away with not paying divorce lawyers and the subsequent crap of divorce. They aren't suffering enough, they have it easy. Doesn't have to be true, how would they know? That will create so many conflicting thoughts in the antis, they might explode. :D

Humans have very, very few truly 'hardwired' behaviors, and none that exist past the first 12-36 months. Babies are hardwired to suckle and you could say that putting things in their mouths is also hardwired (at that point you rely on taste and the dense nerve bundles in your mouth to tell what's what). Past that stage we operate on more complicated impulses and urges, which is why we expect 2-3 year olds to start exhibiting self control over their actions. The idea that any adult does things purely based on predetermined factors is complete nonsence and is just something made up by defence lawers that have been backed against a fence. The chronic cheater who says he can't help it because he has no way to control his urges and must indulge himself is a good poster boy for this school of thought. In the end we control not only our behavior, but also our desires.

ROFL!

Bruce, you are a funny man!

The fact that a lot of young - junior and high school age - kids, girls mostly, it seems - "experiment" with same-sex relationships for a while, and then go on to have heterosexual relationships suggest to me that it is probably a choice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1886018,00.html
Sometimes we are not in complete control of our desires

I'll buy that, Bullitt. But I also believe the control we exercise is directly proportional to the severity of the consequences for making a bad choice.

I think that's why were better at making good choices for things that have an immediate, or short term, effect and not so good on long range choices.
If I eat that cake Mom will kill me, is easy to resist.
If I eat that cake I won't look good in my speedo next summer, is tougher.
If I eat that cake I'll have cholesterol problems in 40 years, is very, very tough.:yum: