Why do you think you're a customer here sky, what have you purchased?

Jinx, I havn't purchased anything. I was using UTs example of being in a store.

I am upset I have been insulted. Before UT's post I would have liked to have bought him a beer but he dosn't want my money. I made my point I'm done.

No, actually, I think you've made LJ and UT's point - but I'm glad you're done regardless.

This is the problem with running anyone off, and I think I acknowledged it at the time: some people will think they are "next"

But such things are probably inevitable, in a world where different personalities emerge. Personalities are always in conflict; it's basic human drama, and to be expected.

The alternative is to not allow our personalities out of the box at all, to the point where only polite discourse is permitted. It requires a strict set of rules and very active moderation to detect when someone is making an underhanded comment.

Frankly, fuck that kind of shit. If that's what you like, there are hundreds of places like that for you to choose from.

The Cellar is doing quite well in its current form. It's not seeking money in any sense of the word, and yet donations continue to rise to permit it to get bigger and bigger. Perhaps the rich-but-fragile-women market is not our target market.

Lastly, Sky, you may not have noticed that you have now said worse things about both LJ and I than we have ever said about you. According to us, you are endearingly nutty. According to you, we are systematic mysogynists. You know, nobody has called me worse in a long time.

Yet we stand, blithely unaffected. You cannot cut us. Not because we're powerful, or because we're somehow in league with each other. It's because we have the self-assuredness to know that people can call us fuckwads nine ways from Sunday, and it doesn't actually matter. We are who we are, and people can think what they like about us. Call me mysogynist - I will stand my ground, and let everyone else on this system determine who and what I actually am by my actions.

It's a good way to be. I recommend it.

speak for yourself, tony....i'm devastated. pass the tissues.

Now now now...I'm the one who is supposed to be ostracized right now.

I've seen it time and time again...just like high school, the whole crowd will get in on it if it's the popular opinion. Or, your friends don't try to stand up for you if they know it's not popular opinion.

Some great folks here, but still cliquey as hell.

I DO think it was in poor taste for UT to post Sky's PM...kinda takes the "private" out of it...with all due respect to you UT, you know I love ya.

This is a great place, but if you're not "in" remember to tread lightly. Only the elite can get away with being snide. I'm not dissin' anyone, I just think you should be aware of that.

And, as I said before, when I win the lottery I would love to totally subsidize the Cellar. It's an important place, imho. And here, like in real life, people can get hurt, feel alone, feel ganged up on...no fun. I'm happy for the perfect people who always know the right thing to say and when to say it, who never get offended, but know how to offend.

Maybe everyone could try a little more compassion.

Because it's also "cool" to do so, and implies "eye-batting innocence" I must make sure to add this smilie: :2cents:

I love most of you like family. Like family, sometimes you all get on my nerves. :3eye:

the more i think of this, the more i think that sky is the aggressor here. she used to say this shit about flint, right? i've poked fun, but never attacked her. there was something hot_pastrami said on here once about diving onto a knife.....found it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotpastrami when I am not wielding my knife as a weapon, I have little sympathy for someone who chooses to fling themselves into it.

so....think of another excuse to be cheap. i dare say at this point UT doesnt want your crazy money.

PMing shit to an owner/admin/mod is the last refuge of the true troll, particularly when there's no new information presented

It's an additional opportunity to whine.

I thought about excerpting it but I realized I would have had to excerpt it all. It would have been far worse, on sky's behalf, to just say "sky really ranted all over me and LJ in a PM and told me to shove the tipmug up my ass", and let everyone speculate.

I'm sort of sorry I mentioned anything at this point. Unfortunately, I still think it is a good idea to have a system of donation/cost feedback for us users. In a free market, Internet or otherwise, every consumer has the choice to shop elsewhere, so that part is sort of self-regulating. At any rate, I in no way perceive this place as systematically misogynistic on *anyone's* part. There *are* a couple of people whose bullshit detectors are set pretty sensitive, though, and their alarms go off a lot sooner than others', sort of like a smoke detector does when you're just cooking dinner...or thought you were.

In any event, may I please claim use of the new user title "systematic misogynist", even though it isn't true? *Especially* because it isn't true? It just has a nice ring to it...great turn of phrase, that.

Geeze Sky , haven't you figuered out that you need to be fairly thick skinned to be around here !!!!
Get over it , get your self a cold beer and chill !!!

Oh and UT ,about that spelling crack , well ,,,,, I Love you to ;) ;)

You should have seen my spelling befor I got Puter , dos don't like der when you meen dir

No, use the drapes.;)

I have to disagree with you. LJ is one of the most emotionally stable people around here.

Gee...I'd been wondering where all the conflict was lately. Glad I didn't see this thread sooner or I'd probably have said something to wish I'd taken back.

I think the tip jar thing is a good idea btw. I noticed it for the first time about a month ago and contributed a small amount. I'll probably have to get around to doing so again soon. I also like the idea of seeing whether donations have covered the cost of running the site or how far it falls short. Personally I don't even care if the boss makes a profit. I'd still contribute when I thought about it. I don't see any problem with UT getting paid for providing this site if it came to that. Most other people like being paid for their efforts too.

I'm visiting the states in early april - ive still got your address and havent forgotten my promise to drop some cash in the mail for you!