tw, keep your insults to yourself mate. You're not entertaining anyone with your attitude.

I understand your point, I simply happen to disagree that Howard is personally responsible because a security firm in conjunction with various police and intelligence agencies. To me, this would suggest that the person/s who is ultimately responsible is the person responsible for that.

Do you think that this breech is going unpunished? Is that the 'idea' you have in your mind?

If so, you're wrong.

I am not trying to entertain anyone. You were insulting other's intelligence. You posted opinions using 'crap' as your only 'reason why'. Provided were authors to learn from so that opinions come from actual knowledge.

Aliantha somehow knows without first learning about management? He knows simply by feeling? Bad management always claims no responsibility. "The subordinate did it - I am not responsible." Example after example described by Aliantha as irrelevant? You swallow defective top management lies by feeling; by not learning from history?

Howard is responsible for near zero security AND then for doing nothing about that near zero security - incompetence twice over. Clearly the Pranksters are only guilty of exposing incompetence. The world needs more such Pranksters. The buck stops where? Only defective management blames subordinates or the Pranksters.

Did Brownie create a disastrous response to Katrina? We know Brown begged George Jr to cut red tape and provide immediate assistance days before Katrina struck. George Jr did not even ask one question - all but ignored Brownie. Do we blame Brown - or his boss who was too busy flying to AZ for McCain's birthday party? Only those who stay stupid - who know without first learning reasons - would ignore reasons for that pathetic Katrina response. Those who understand management saw George Jr as a mental midget incompetent over six years ago. Why? Because some learned *why* top management is responsible for the failures. Not just responsible; also 'why' management is responsible.

According to Aliantha, others are to blame for that near zero US Government response. Aliantha denies reality: 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Slam. How thick is that concrete?

From all accounts, it doesn't appear that there was a security failure here. Nobody intent on doing harm was allowed to do any harm.

It allowed people not intent on doing harm though two checkpoints. This is a non-rigorous test of a small part of the system.

It also could have been argued that security was as valid as Saddam's WMDs. Both intended only to provide an appearance. Neither really existed.

Right, it could have been argued, but thankfully it wasn't, since that would be irrelevant to the discussion.

I'm still trying to figure out what Katrina has to do with Howard and APEC.