| Flint |
10-03-2007 10:51 PM |
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Originally Posted by dar512
(Post 391389)
Well, Flint, I have to say I got pretty much the same thing as Bruce did out of this.
I guess part of the problem is that I can't believe that anyone as intelligent as you seem to be could make this statement. Part of the problem is that there's so much hand-waving and generality throwing in these discussions. Let's walk through an example.
The set of all Christians are those that believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died in atonement for our sins.
The people who believe in Creationism is a subset of the above set. So some Christians do not believe in Creationism.
So tell me why I should take flak over Creationism, when I don't believe it?
If that's not what you're saying, then maybe you could 'splain yourself better.
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No, I'm not saying that. I've never said anything like that. Not even remotely. What you're responding to is what Bruce said I said. I'm not going to argue about what Bruce said I said. I didn't say, or suggest that "all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same" ... If I had said that, EVER, then Bruce could just go ahead and quote me. He can't. I've never said that.
Think of it this way: people "born in Texas" are part of a static, imposed group. They have no choice in the matter. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a voluntary decision. And the decision consists of...what? What is it that people mean when they CHOOSE to call themselves something? How would you know whether to call yourself something that doesn't have any characteristics? It wouldn't exist!
Understand this: I'm not arguing the scope of the characteristics. I'm not saying, and I've never said that "all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same" ...and I think it's fucking dishonest as hell to make the S T R E T C H to get that out of what I've said.
And I will add that it's really creepy to be topic-stalked by someone who is constantly, purposefully twisting my words to have the same, wrong meaning - that I've repeatedly correct them on. I will always welcome honest debate and genuine disagreement. |
