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wolf 11-06-2007 09:48 AM

Come on now ... there's Black Pride, Hispanic Pride, Gay Pride, Pagan Pride ... but mention White Pride and it's a hate crime. Why is that?

Cloud 11-06-2007 10:24 AM

because the others are political movements designed to promote rights for the powerless. Whites already have the power.

Perry Winkle 11-06-2007 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 403948)
because the others are political movements designed to promote rights for the powerless. Whites already have the power.

Those others are political movements for ethnic solidarity in order to gain power. Similar organizations for whites will be taboo until whites are knocked out of power to a large degree, I guess.

The fact that the Holocaust and black slavery are so recent tends to distort the picture for many.

lookout123 11-06-2007 11:51 AM

this is all a load of BS. Pride in your color? why? it is stupid regardless of what your pigment turns out to be. Be proud of who you are. Be proud of what you've accomplished. Be proud of how well you care about/for your family. Be proud of having the willpower to get out of bed and DO something every day.

But being proud of a color? doesn't make sense. Neither does any program or artificial system that takes into account color, ethnicity, sex, or sexual preference. That is bullshit.

If I am a major corporation or government agency that is hiring, my ONLY consideration for who gets the job should be the qualifications of the people seeking to fill the job. Giving the job to someone who is less qualified because they fit the definition of some minority group is in and of itself discrimination.

rkzenrage 11-06-2007 01:14 PM

Well put look.
There is no reason to be proud of anything you have not done.
I like reading about all culture, not just those I am attached to by coincidence.
Color?
No one is the same color as another.
Punk ass bitches with nothing will do anything to feel special.
Do something then talk to me.

Any ____ pride = bigotry.

BTW, I know far more dark "racists" than white, what is worse they feel that it is justified. At least most of the light racists I know are ashamed of it. Morons.
I ask them what everyone's race is now that we know everyone is from Africa and that I now call myself African and they usually just don't want to talk about it.

Cloud 11-06-2007 01:28 PM

Someday in the far future everyone will be a uniform light brown in color.

It will be kind of sad if everyone looks the same.

Reminds me of the classic Trek episode with the half-white/half-black people.

Cicero 11-06-2007 01:53 PM

I have a hard time being proud of my skin. It's kind of pastey. Not really fun to look at. But I'll be damned if I will sit in a tanning booth again. My husband is not so proud of my skin either...but he hates tan-lines too...so I'm kind of screwed. (No matter how concealed... there are always tan-lines) I'm scotch/irish...I'm pre-disposed to skin cancer and well, all cancer because I'm hedon. So I try not to push it with the tanning, sunlight thing. I however, am proud of my husband's skin because he's hot. (not that I would fly it as a flag or anything) And it will not always be so, so I have to deeply appreciate these things now before they are over. I will tell you that there a ton of photos being taken.....what was the question?

piercehawkeye45 11-06-2007 03:03 PM

To understand black versus white pride you have to look at how they started.

Black, Hispanic, Gay pride was started because society told these groups that they should be ashamed of who they are and then the pride movement was reactionary to that.

Never has overall society told whites to be ashamed of their skin, so the only reason for white pride is jealously of black pride or a counter moment to black pride, which is more or less baseless and childish.

Although, skin color is different from heritage. Heritage actually as some meaning, where as skin color, like hair or eye color, means shit.

piercehawkeye45 11-06-2007 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 404032)
Someday in the far future everyone will be a uniform light brown in color.

It will be kind of sad if everyone looks the same.

Reminds me of the classic Trek episode with the half-white/half-black people.

The majority of people are like that now and they all don't look the same.

Cicero 11-06-2007 03:06 PM

No...now it's appropriate to be ashamed of your skin. Racist.


Hey and if we are the only people with enough power to enforce hate crimes then we can do it to each other and wipe each other off the map......racists are an inferior race.
Oooh. The spin is so biting.
:)

Good morning vietnam I need lunch. Otherwise there won't be food in my hands and I'll keep typing.

rkzenrage 11-06-2007 03:17 PM

Gay pride is just as stupid as "racial pride".
Proud of how you were born?
Makes no sense.

Cloud 11-06-2007 03:21 PM

you may not like the nomenclature, but I believe such social movements by minorities are valuable in order to educate and increase awareness when human rights are being violated.

rkzenrage 11-06-2007 03:39 PM

Setting yourself apart as a group is counterproductive, it plays into the hands of the opposition.
Stating that anyone can be gay, the stereotype is a falsehood and choosing to ignore it, instead turning your back on those who are ignorant instead of playing into their hands, has always been the most effective means of fighting.
You remove the target, call it guerrilla warfare.

DanaC 11-06-2007 03:49 PM

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Setting yourself apart as a group is counterproductive, it plays into the hands of the opposition.
That would make sense as an argument if hitherto well accepted and respected groups of socety had decided to separate themselves in that way. Actually Gay Pride is e response to the fact that they were already separated off from and by society and singled out as worthy of moral opprobrium purely on the basis of their sexuality.

They didn't single themselves out, they were singled out by the rest of society. LIkewise the Black Pride movement was a response to a particular cultural norm which sent a message, loud and clear, to anybody with dark skin that they were less than those with white skin. Again, they did not choose to separate themselves from a previously harmonious situation. They were separated off by both de facto and de jure segregation and treated as second class (and earlier as less than human) citizens.

When society, government and law all tell black people that their legal status, intelligence, capability and culpability and even attractiveness is dicated by their skin colour/racial heritage and that to be considered truly competant, culpable, intelligent and beautiful they need to be white or of European descent, then it is a reasonable and appropriate response to attempt to redress that. You cannot bring the see saw back into balance if you don't apply weight to the other side.

lookout123 11-06-2007 03:55 PM

ok, so once upon a time someone thought people with dark skin were inferior and discriminated against them. so a movement based on the idea that "we are not inferior" blossomed. yay. but how do we get from there to discriminating against another group as the solution?


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