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Danac, i'm not quite sure where it is that we disagree.
i'm saying that the physical human brain is to blame for our actions. you're saying the physical human brain is at fault as well, you're just being more specific. you wanna elaborate, maybe i'm missing something that you haven't quite made evident |
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I realise that to an extent this is semantic, but semantics are important. I agree with some of what you say. But there are certain points I do not agree with. We both seem to agree that humans are animals and in no way divine. That Gods are merely pink unicorns blindfolding large numbers of people and standing in direct opposition to reason and science. I disagree with idea that religion itself has retarded our development. I disagree that we have been retarded as a species at all. I disagree that what separates us from other species is what has caused our destructiveness. Rather, I think that what separates us is the thing that allows us to 'look in the mirror' as you put it. What separates us from other species is potentially the thing that will allow us to reign in, or halt our destructiveness. By harnessing the same animal instincts which gave us something to reign in or halt. |
I suppose in a sense we are looking at the same thing, but where you seem to view it in a pessimistic way, I don't.
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Are you two making distinctions between the mind vs the brain?
It sort of seemed so at one point. Dana is narrowing it down to the primitive brain now. If we raise up constructs like the unicorn and the church as vehicles to worship or commit crimes that would be the mind? Seems this is what WHIP is saying anyway? I'm sure you both know better than me.I'm just asking. Mildly curious.*shrug* |
you've got the picture skysidhe.
danac, i assume our difference is located at the base of our perceptions. most would view me as extreme as i see us as secondary to the rest of this world...expendable even, for the good of all. |
For the good of all what?
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and who is 'us'? The human race? and whatever happened to the good guy wins scenario. There must be something worth salvaging?
I am sure there is as much good as bad. It's just that the good doesn't get as much coverage or recognition.I think people see what they want to see. That too is a mind frame just as dark as any other. Just as the Church looking for witches. Human life isn't linear to me. It's cyclical. Even if the worst was to happen life would once again emerge and or human life would continue and learn from it's mistakes and progress into something better. |
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Humans will adapt and move on just so we can fuck it up again later. :D |
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the good guy wins scenario would have us[the bad guy] erased, along with this cement jail cell we've built. Quote:
the only way to salvage it, is to get rid of the species that destroys it. Quote:
btw,i am the witch the church was seeking. Quote:
china made the first step 30 years ago. even if the rest of the world followed, it would be too late. a nuclear bomb over india,[no offense, going by numbers'] would be a good start, but would still not be solving the problem. aids helps, but we made the mistake of educating the people in how to avoid it.[we're not really learning here] war has been our greatest blessing as it has kept us under 50 billion. but still, its not enough, we'd have to be on world war 8 to keep up with our reproductive rate. maybe a good virus would do the trick, inject a transmitable deadly virus into a large percentage of the world population, and we might actually be on to something....lets see how that works out for us. |
Millions of types of critters have died out, and millions of new types came along to take their place. 3 or 4 times 90% of the life on Earth has been wiped out entirely... and came back. All this without our help. The Earth is constanly evolving.
Granted we have the power to steer that evolution some, but don't fool yourself, the Earth will survive long after we're gone, if it comes to that. |
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the meantime is what we're looking at. |
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most of these are for the benefit of humans. quite the opposite of the objective. you've not listed any actions of ours that benefit non-human life. some of these have their focus on attempting to fix problems that we've caused, but that is still a negative against us, not a positive. |
its like destroying 90 percent of the rainforrests and then planting some seeds, or like dropping a bomb on a school, and handing out a few band-aids to the few survivors attempting to take credit for helping.
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The Earth can support an even greater population then we have today. It will just require a setup that is efficient with resources. If you really want to do something WHIP, work on making creating social setups that do just that. Decreasing the world population is not the only option.
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