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squirell nutkin 03-10-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Yznhymr (Post 639935)
Also I have heard that "seeking the truth" is a key point in Buddhism. My problem is the truth I may find is not the truth someone else may find. Therefore, it really isn't truth.

I love this question: Do you believe that what you believe is really real?

The best thing I have learned from Buddhism is mindfulness. I've missed out on this most of my life. Wished I had understood this many many moons ago.

I learned early to be quite suspect of what I believe. Just because we think it doesn't make it real. I'm also equally suspect of words and the limitations they impose. At best a poor description on "reality." It is said the moment you open your mouth to speak about the Dharma, you are mountains and rivers away from it.

Or as they say in Vermont: "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."

You can't go wrong with mindfulness.

Pie 03-10-2010 09:22 AM

You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita

A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.

squirell nutkin 03-10-2010 09:25 AM

That is a very interesting distinction between action and result. I have to ponder that.

xoxoxoBruce 03-10-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 639981)
You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita

A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.

But how do you determine what the right thing is, without considering where the chips may fall?

Pie 03-10-2010 10:25 AM

Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned.

Plan carefully, making your decision based on all available data, work hard to support that, but once the decision is made -- it's out of your hands and the outcome is no longer your responsibility. Only your work in getting up to that point is yours to claim. Success or failure belongs to the universe, not to individuals.

Pete Zicato 03-10-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 639981)
You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita

A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.

I like it. Added to my quotes file.

squirell nutkin 03-10-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 640000)
I like it. Added to my quotes file.

The whole Bhagavad Gita?

xoxoxoBruce 03-10-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 639993)
Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned.

OK, I get it.

monster 03-13-2010 07:07 PM

As long as no-one is letting the chips go to waste, wherever they fall....

Pie 03-13-2010 10:59 PM

5-second rule still applies.

wanderer 03-15-2010 08:07 AM

It is relatively simple to recognize that what we experience is easily more believable and true for us that what we read, hear or see. The Buddha or the zen carries on one principal fact of self realization. The east have been always believed in the fact that the supreme energy forming the basic primaries of the universe flows through every soul.

xoxoxoBruce 03-15-2010 06:24 PM

What's the difference between what you "experience", and what you "hear or see" ?

squirell nutkin 03-15-2010 10:28 PM

Buddhism teaches "anatman"

There is no soul, there is no self.

xoxoxoBruce 03-15-2010 11:02 PM

Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Riiiight. :right:

wanderer 03-15-2010 11:48 PM

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Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see".
Experiencing may not definitely depend on what you hear or see. It might be beyond these physical senses. Intuitions, for example are completely independent from our other senses. When we try to meditate we try to zero on self. That can be an experience too and we use none of the physical senses then. Instead we try to shut them off.
"Popped" into your head can be an experience, yes. It all depends that how much you lived a thought, an idea or even a dream.


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