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Spexxvet 06-15-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 662938)
... Are these people serious?
...

Everything is Obama's fault. Except good stuff.

Urbane Guerrilla 06-20-2010 03:03 AM

Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win.

The Republicans, by contrast, think it is a virtue for the forces of democracy to win wars, especially with antidemocratic forces. And antidemocrats are the only foes we've shot at since 1898. Look it up if you don't want to just believe me. I already understand this and why shouldn't you?

(And the Libertarians potentially could think this way, and still, I think, be Libertarians. They don't -- yet.)

The last Democratic President to win a war was Truman. The last Dem President to attempt it was Johnson. For God's sake, even that was two generations ago.

Shawnee123 06-20-2010 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 664689)
Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win.


Cool. When do we start "winning" in the middle east? I thought the mission was accomplished but we just seem to be wallowing in mediocrity instead of actually winning anything. There's no money in the cure.

Redux 06-20-2010 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 664689)
Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win.
.....

The last Democratic President to win a war was Truman. The last Dem President to attempt it was Johnson. For God's sake, even that was two generations ago.

The Bosnian war....with a combination of military force and forceful diplomacy (Dayton accord)....and only one US casualty.

Undertoad 06-20-2010 08:34 AM

It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only.

Maybe if we say it louder.

HEY! URBANE GUERILLA!

BILL CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR!!!!

Redux 06-20-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 664710)
It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only.

Maybe if we say it louder.

HEY! URBANE GUERILLA!

CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR

Just giving him a third strike to swing at.

I'll go back to my coffee now.

xoxoxoBruce 06-20-2010 08:41 AM

Bosnia doesn't count, because we didn't gain any land, or raw materials, for the American empire business interests.

Undertoad 06-20-2010 08:43 AM

Sorry about my late edits. My posts are first drafts for the first five minutes...

Griff 06-20-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 664710)
It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only.

Maybe if we say it louder.

HEY! URBANE GUERILLA!

BILL CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR!!!!

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Shawnee123 06-20-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 659999)
I would like salsa with my tortillas.

:rolleyes:

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 04:20 AM

We should have ignored Bosnia completely. It was in the European backyard, they should have delt with it completely.

Undertoad 06-21-2010 07:38 AM

You wouldn't make that statement if it hadn't been

Bill Clinton

who stopped a genocide of ethnic cleansing including systematic mass rape and torture when he

won the war

classicman 06-21-2010 10:25 AM

HA! I, for one, am loving UT's new posting style.

Spexxvet 06-21-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 664923)
We should have ignored Saddam Hussien completely. He was in the Middle East's backyard, they should have delt with it completely.

Fixed that for ya.

Shawnee123 06-21-2010 11:58 AM

:)

Good one!


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