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classicman 01-09-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tw
Blame evil Tarp on Obama when George Jr created it.

The successful one?

xoxoxoBruce 01-09-2011 10:11 AM

Kill Rupert Murdoch. :p:

smoothmoniker 01-09-2011 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 704305)
Kill Rupert Murdoch. :p:

You better hope nobody does, or you'll be held morally responsible, apparently.

xoxoxoBruce 01-09-2011 10:30 AM

I could live with that.

Lamplighter 01-09-2011 11:04 AM

And so it goes...xoB feels the need to one-up the discussion.

People are making so many assumptions that fit with their own point of view.
Even a day later, there is NO information that points to the motives of this shooter
Instead, the only information the news media has come up with
is pointing towards pre-existing mental problems.


NY Times
Arizona Suspect’s Recent Acts Offer Hints of Alienation
By ERIC LIPTON, CHARLIE SAVAGE and SCOTT SHANE
Published: January 8, 2011

Quote:

No quotes from me, just read the article to see if you can find any political motivations.

If one just has to find a political motivation, there's a closer tie in to a different victim... Chief Justice Roll.
His decision in a recent immigration case ran seriously counter to the prevailing mood in Arizona .

NY Times
Amid Shock, Recalling Judge’s Life of Service
By JOHN SCHWARTZ

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John M. Roll, the chief federal judge in Arizona, was fatally wounded
in the attack near Tucson on Saturday that killed five others and wounded at least 18 people,
including Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

So far, the prevailing assumption is that the shooter went to the scene with premeditation.
No one has even posited that the shooter was in the store by coincidence,
and came outside to the confusion of flags and people around him, and then just went off his rocker.
I know my senario is not likely, but I use it to point out the lack of information at this point in time.

For all this to lead a discussion for a call to kill someone else is beyond me.

Nirvana 01-09-2011 11:29 AM

The pen[keyboard] is mightier than the sword[gun] ..

Temperance is a forgotten virtue.

Undertoad 01-09-2011 12:28 PM

Well the M.O. of a paranoid schizophrenic, and wolf put your two cents in, is that he hears voices in his head giving him various motives to kill, or becomes otherwise delusional, psychotic, and separated from reality.

Now it turns out the kid shot the Congresswoman first, and then went down the meeting line of people waiting to greet her, shooting them one by one.

Yeah.

Nirvana 01-09-2011 12:35 PM

They are saying the police are looking for a person of interest that was with the suspect. It would not be the first time that things were done using a mental deficient to do the dirty work. Is that one of the voices in his head? He showed up on the shopping mall videos.

classicman 01-09-2011 12:48 PM

A few comments from some who apparently knew him.

from whatever this place is ... The Jawa Report.




and from Time
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What is not clear is what role politics — and, in particular, the red-hot rhetoric of the mid-term elections — played in the shooting. Descriptions one of Loughner's high school classmates posted on Twitter only added to the mystery. "He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical," @caitieparker tweeted. "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy." And, most ominously, "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was 'stupid & unintelligent.'"

Read more:

classicman 01-09-2011 12:51 PM

Of course it didn't take some extremists long to blame the other side.

MSNBC's Olbermann blames Republicans for Tucson shooting

TheMercenary 01-09-2011 12:58 PM

Olbermann is an idiot.

Pico and ME 01-09-2011 01:19 PM

Deflect all you want guys, its just not going to matter how bat-shit insane the killer is, politicians who use gun terminology in their rhetoric ("don't retreat - reload!" from Palin, “ Second Amendment remedies” from Angle, and "Armed And Dangerous" from Bachmann) are acting dangerously irresponsible and this tragic event it is putting their behavior front and center.

Pico and ME 01-09-2011 01:34 PM

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Look at what is considered safe to express nowadays because of their rhetoric...

TheMercenary 01-09-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 704334)
Deflect all you want guys, its just not going to matter how bat-shit insane the killer is, politicians who use gun terminology in their rhetoric ("don't retreat - reload!" from Palin, “ Second Amendment remedies” from Angle, and "Armed And Dangerous" from Bachmann) are acting dangerously irresponsible and this tragic event it is putting their behavior front and center.

Bullshit. Let's ban Airplanes because of 9/11.:rolleyes:

TheMercenary 01-09-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 704336)
Look at what is considered safe to express nowadays because of their rhetoric...

Man that First Amendment is a bitch ain't it? :rolleyes: They must be responsible for all the violence in America.


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