They're not advertising the missed apocalypses. If you follow the link you get a list of missed apocalypses and the statement that nobody knows the day and the hour, or whatever it is.

The religion of any assailant is only relevant if the religion plays a part in the attack ... The Fort Hood guy was a Muslim who attacked non Muslims while shouting about their not being Muslims.

The guy who shoots 8 coworker after being fired, is doing so after being fired, regardless of Faith. he wouldn't be called a Muslim extremeist or Muslim terrorist unless he was acting as a consequence of that, right?

And before anybody starts calling Mohammed reasonable ... read the Koran. there's some crazy, self-serving shit in there, and I'm not even talking about the 9 year old bride thing.

The other day I learned that Jimmy Carr came from a very religious background, and was a virgin until the age of 26. Explains a whole lot, I think. :)

Yeah. He was a devout Catholic iirc. Believed in saving himself for marriage and I think at one point was considering the priesthood.

As he himself says, since then, he's all about the poontang.


:p


I love him in interview. So clever. When he talks about comedy and jokes in particular. A proper joke technician.

Look at how many were outraged at the "Ground Zero Mosque". More than a very few.

Percentage wise - a pittance.

We have been fighting a war on several fronts, the largest of these fronts have been in Iraq and Afghanistan. Almost all of our efforts in our current wars overseas deal with populations almost entirely of Muslim descent....and we don't know dick about the religion here in the states. Wow. Just wow. 10 years of war, and the vast majority of Americans can not tell the difference between a Shia and a Sunni, or any of the dozen or so other "heretics" that are wondering around out there in the world. This dismays me a little.

Americans have such a cultural bias for anything not American...what ever the fuck that is. Using the criteria put forth as to why Muslims can't be American citizens would disqualify at least half of the Christian population of the U.S.

I'll trade you a quote from the Qur'an. Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Well said Joe!

And great quote.

I'm not sure I get your point Joe. I can't tell a Catholic from a Baptist, and how long have we been fighting them?

I bet you could come up with a handful of distinctions if you thought about it though.

Well, Baptists do tend to be shinier.

See!

Counterpoint:

If someone wants to kill me because I don't share their beliefs, I don't really care what their beliefs ARE. That's their particular form of bullshit, whether it's a 12th Imam to return to rule the earth for seven years or careful application of Sharia and various bullshit rituals. The problem is not interpreting their bullshit in a way that allows for patient cooperation with the rest of the world.

The KKK was a Christian organization but we didn't need to study what particular variety of beliefs put them over the top. We just needed to extinguish those beliefs.

You didn't seek to extinguish Christian beliefs though. Just the white supremacist violent terrorist part.

The point isn't that some brands of Islam aren't violent and dangerous, but that not all are. To say there is something inherently un-American about being a muslim is ignorant and dangerous.

All of Christianity had to change in order to get along with the rest of the world. In order for that to happen, it had to be interpreted differently. All of Islam is regularly interpreted this way or that by various figures in the religion. At some point those figures will start interpreting it differently. Just like the Bible, there are plenty of contradictory teachings in the Koran, and eventually the religion will pick the bits that let us live on the same planet without killing each other.

Until that time, there will probably be violence.

As far as the original guy goes, he is part of the reinterpretation, and he is a garden variety troll who is able to purchase cheap radio time, and doesn't represent a common viewpoint. As his belief does not find a toehold it will slowly be abandoned.

The Koran also says ...

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

And one of the hadith's says of Jews ...

"They are debased, cursed, anathematized forever by God and so can never repent and be forgiven; they are cheats and traitors; defiant and stubborn; they killed the prophets; they are liars who falsify scripture and take bribes; as infidels they are ritually unclean, a foul odor emanating from them - such is the image of the Jew in classical Islam, degraded and malevolent."

Little hard to reconcile that with the whole "religion of peace" image they're trying to present now.