I think he's right on the money on the Kerry issue ... for both of them.

I'm just trying to figure out how John Heinz kept Teresa off camera all those years ...

It's pretty amazing that Wolf has a problem with women who speak their mind...

What hatred? I don't know a single brit on this board that has spouted hatred. Frustration is probably a better word. Can you not understand our contempt at your support of an unashamedly homophobic, trigger happy president that justifies war with rhetoric and does not understand the crucial paradox of a 'war on terror'? And your reasons for voting Dubya? Tax cuts? "Homeland security"? God that's selfish. You support war? You wouldn't if it was happening in your back yard. Your childrens' heads blown off because Iraq is scared of you. The only reason you support the war Bob is because you believe it will make the world safer, you've fallen for the rhetoric. It's not safe in Iraq. Or does that not count as 'the world'? Is America the world?

I would say the same to any Brit that supports the war. I would say the same to Tony Blair. Unfortunately Brits can't vote against Bush, but you can. That's why I may feel more frustration towards you than a fellow Brit.

Now, the above is not directed towards all Americans, but to you, personally, based on your post. By supporting Bush you are helping to perpetuate that stereotype you so protest - that American's are selfish, scared, patriotic, ignorant.

But hang on one second. Who can blame you for being ignorant if all the information you have access to is spun sugar from a president bleeting the buzz words of success and safety? And you are no different to us here in England that are fed exactly the same lines, just through a stiff upper lip rather than rousing hyperbole.

I think what the British don't like is that you are honest about your pride in your country, your desire for more money/less tax, your American dream. We're just more discreet, we vote Tory sorry New Labour because it provides the best deal for ME. We're all the same.

So how can I accuse you of being ignorant, selfish? I am just the same. I don't know anything about war yet I oppose it; I've never been to America yet I think I know it's people. I have a lot to learn.

But at the same time, there is something that just feels wrong about war, about pain. Of course, survival of the fittest - you would kill rather than be killed, we all would. But what if the threat is not real? The other guy's gun is not loaded, he just says it is. What if he just wants your attention, wants to be heard, and this is the only way he knows how?

Do you still shoot, even though you don't know?

I think, sadly, the answer is yes. Which is why we will always have wars, unless we start listening to each other. The words peace and understanding are over-used but I think applicable here.

So we don't hate Americans. I don't hate Americans. I hate war, fascism (for want of a better word) and people who do not listen. Your government has a habit of all of the above, and your implicit support of this is what some Brits (and other countries) may protest. Do you understand?

Only certain Americans.

It's all dependent on whether they are in it or out of it at the time ...

What? So you have some problem with the out-of-mind challenged? We have the right to be as vocal about our insanity as the rest of America does (and is)! :D

And who decides that? You?

I'm a professional.

Don't try this at home.

We've got our own Krauthammer here!

Hello all,sorry,I didn't mean to start such a slobberknocker! I only meant that bush will probably be re-elected due to domestic issues and that the war is not the only issue in this election. I AM a person who "oozes with love and respect" but if YOU had to listen to john kerry and his dead mint broom jockey wife for the past six months see how kind You would feel! (lol) Catwoman,very good post,you have given me some food for thought,although I don't think you fully grasp why many americans feel the way we do about the war in iraq. I live 3 hours drive from new york city and know unless we do something to take out these terrorists and nations that support them it is only a matter of time before a nuke goes off in times square. I am 19 and honestly dont think i'll live to see my 21st birthday. I would probably be in iraq now myself if health problems hadn't kept me out of the military.( I tried to enlist on sept.12,2001.,but was turned down) war is an awful thing that no one wants,but many americans feel we are in this for our very survival. sadly,I think it will happen here no matter what we do,there are just too many of the terrorists out there to stop them all.

Don't know, Bush hasn't tried yet. :eyebrow:

Yeah, they're called politicians. :eek:

Hello all
this is a first for me this tin-ta-net(brit joke) thing can be a very good read when working night, Right off we go!!!!!!
I need to put a arm around bobfromamerica and tell him that its OK everything will be allright, done watch tv for a week and the world is a better place belive me (yes i now i cant spell im dyslexic) and iraq has nothing to do with Terrorists, we had terrorists at one point called the IRA. they bombed manchester my brother and sister where living they at the time, shit happens (as you lot say) dont let it run your life. bush will have you thinking that around every corner some evildoer is waiting! dont go laying down your life because some bloke in a funny hat and grey beard is pissed off, let face it theres no Terrorists breaking down your door bob! and if you think about it bob, the word terror is what they are trying to do, scare you with terror and it sounds like they are wining. your going to live to be a old man bob because the socalled terrorists dont what you they what your goverment.So you have 2 choices Laugh or Cry its up to you. one last thing Catwoman sound a bit of a brainbox if you aks me!!

Welcome Spray from Sheffield, good first post. (United or Wednesday? When I was a young one I lived in S10, the Hallamshire area.)

Bwahahahahahahahahahhahaha!! :lol2:

Welcome to the Cellar, Spray :thumbsup: