My error, correcting

Collectivist!

Of course everybody has their own perspective on the proper function of government, don't they?

It must be ereassuring for you to never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever admit to being incorrect.

I would kill someone to avoid being killed myself or to defend my family from being killed, but I sure would think first about how to RUN AWAAYYY (monty python) because I would really hate to kill someone and have that on my conscience but also because explaining it, defending my actions, and basically trying to fix the problem caused by having killed someone would be such a royal pain.. I'd rather avoid that.

I've admitted it on as many occasions as I'm aware of having been incorrect. Sorry that getting caught misquoting upsets you so much you have to wave a red herring around.

There's little point in having laws if there's no way to enforce them...which is what much urban crime is demonstrating. If beleving in the US Constitution (read the preamble again) makes me a collectivist, then I'm guilty. But there's plenty of *real* collectivists here on the Cellar.

Did Seldon say it? I thought it was a politician later in the series, Salvor Hardin. Though I wouldn't be surprised if one of the prequels had Seldon "pre-say" it later on.

Which is the origin of the expression "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."

That's the attribution I have seen most often. While I have read a fair amount of Asimov (I have a personally autographed copy of "Opus 100"), I confess I never got far into the Foundation books without falling asleep.

But I do know my Heinlien.

I've read the whole series and I do believe that HM is correct, the saying appeared on a sign in Mayor Hardin's office.

A red herring would be to comment on a signature line in the middle of a debate about guns. That's real hard to grasp, though, isn't it, for a hypocrit.

Rkzen, when a man's knowledge of gun rights is as inadequate as tw's is, there's a reason for it. This man tw, for his own twisted reasons, is trying to get people killed -- people who don't need to die. That's immoral, and it's stone evil.

"People" includes you and me.

Name calling is the least I can do! When tw acts that loathesomely, that consistently, and someone else calls him on it and tells him what kind of creature he's become -- there are grounds somehow to object?

Therefore, I protest at your protestation. In other circumstances, you'd be right; this isn't one of them.

Really? Please enlighten me as to what it accomplishes?

Not when the sig purports to address the issue at hand.

My draw with a peacemaker is very fast, but not that fast. Of course I never had the benefit of having my film sped-up.

Hey, I could do that....I'm good at being slapped. :D

I'd be one of the dudes saying "did you see that shit?" to one another...

Why, the demolition, perhaps even the permanent annihilation, of an invalid, unsupported viewpoint, of course. Can't come to a correct decision without facts, can we? Rather often, tw will try to steer people wrong. I, for one, resent that. I think anyone would.

And I didn't stop there: I've told tw exactly what he should do to both rehabilitate himself and simultaneously to grow in wisdom, for I believe in constructive criticism and make a point of always at least implying where salvation may lie. I admit to grave doubts that he'll take the advice, because it's me telling him, and his warped ego will shriek at him that it is more important to ignore Urb and remain wrong, than ever to try and find his way to being right. But theoretically, I should never stop offering the good stuff.

Now, Rkzen, why would you not understand one absurdly simple thing? The murderous point of view is not the point of view to be tolerated. Ever. As you can see, my view is that it is right to resist being murdered, whereas his is the complete opposite. Loathesome! Immoral! Repellent! Let him suffer revulsion for all that! Does he deserve any other?

You have obviously never been shot at.

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:chirp: http://www.mrnussbaum.com/bigc.jpg :chirp:

Wait! I know! "This administration has never been about 'stay the course' - uh I mean 'more guns means fewer gun-related deaths'"

God, that was a great call-out post. The quotes, the smilie, the attached image, the Bush reference...

I have faced the prospect of having to maybe shoot somebody. In my own bedroom. Didn't like the idea one little bit. I think that will do.

She laughed at your penis, again? :question:

We'll put you down for "easily impressed by drivel you agree with".

The scenario is called "mutually assured destruction". We've seen it once in history. Guess what the outcome was? Hint: It wasn't Spexxy's preemptive strike.

Nah; he was going quietly insane, and not too long after that was prevailed upon by his relatives to voluntarily enter St. Elizabeth's, the DC area public mental hospital. Seems even after kicking cocaine and alcohol you can stay really fried.

How 'bout cutting the nonsense, Bruce? We're on the same side here. Let's behave that way.

Just to make it perfectly clear,UG, while we might have similar views on some subjects, I will never be on your side and don't want you on mine.
As far as that goes, I'd hate to narrow any subject to just two sides.....life is not that simple. Only simple people think it is. :rollanim:



Thought for the day.....

You are on my side here, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with that. You are at liberty to dislike me, for I am what I am and don't mind telling you so. I suggest you quitcherbitchin'.

Funny; I think the picture has been reversed. In all but some very special 1911 pistols, the safety is on the left side. I don't think that's a Swenson ambidextrous safety, either. I'd be looking for an unobtrusive cutaway in the edge of the grip panel right near the safety lever were that so.

You can buy lefties.

How much does a leftie cost?

I don't think there is a cost difference... I think you just have to order them from the factory and wait a bit longer. At least that is what my uncle, a leftie told me when he got his Glock.

Oh, you meant a left handed gun. lol

It's an ambi safety. Note the extractor (the circle cut) is on the right side of the back of the slide. Also note the extended top of the grip safety and the long hammer spur, indicating that it's a 1911-A1 rather than an old model 1911.

I'm guessing it's a stock safety, because of the lack of other improvements that would indicate a competition or tactical weapon. For example, the hammer is mil-spec and not lightened. Comp shooters need the slight boost to cycle time from a lighter hammer. Also, the profile of the mil-spec hammer, the grip safety, and the rear sight would drag on clothing, indicating that it's not been modified for concealed carry.

My guess at first would be Kimber, but the grooves on the slide (which are used for getting a grip when you have to clear the action quickly in a malfunction) aren't the standard slippery-ugly Kimber style. I'd have to see the hammer to be sure. Based on the grooves on the slide alone, I'm gonna go with Colt or Springfield for $1000, Alex. Cuz I have one. And it looks like that. Only black and with cooler parts. :D

I am telling you, I can be pedantic with the best of em. AND I'VE GOTTEN TO USE THAT WORD TWICE THIS WEEK!

I'll post pics of mine tomorrow maybe. I took my pill tonight, and I don't touch any weapon unless I'm sober. So it remains locked away, safely hidden under the kid's bed.

I'm not saying it is not that gun, not arguing with you... but you can order left-handed guns from several manufacturers. A separate thought.

yah i didn't feel argued with. s'all good. it happens to me constantly. And come to think of it, you're probably right, except that the stock lefties will have stock safeties, and that one seems to be aftermarket to me. Just the shape of it, really.

I'm split 50/50 on leftie model or aftermarket ambi.

Ok.

I was thoughtfully pulling my lip over that little pin end visible between the safety lever and the grip panel... seemed familiar. Where had I seen that before...? Yeah, I should have picked up on the extractor being on the right side where it belonged.

I tend to regard minimal-mod 1911s as "tactical," per the KISS plan. Ambi safety lever, your favorite fixed sights, being choosy about your magazines and a 4-to-5-lb trigger pull. Maybe beveling the mag well if it's in the budget. (That doesn't apply to double-stack 1911s like Para-Ordnance and the modulars, as there's a bigger well to shove 'em in and the mags taper a bit at the top.)

But you make such an entertaining bitch. :p

Honestly, I just started on pistols not too long ago. Had revolvers most of my life.
I want to get a Glock 6 for my next, I can't handle the larger grips now. I like .45s.
We, on the ranch, always used Glocks or revolvers because of weather.

There are a few small gunmakers who've figured the lefties deserve a pistol set up for them too, which can be rather a thing in a basic design nearly a hundred years old. Modern fighting pistols like the Kahr or the Glock are less, uh, handed. Curiously enough, the venerable Colt Peacemaker revolver may be better laid out for use in the left hand than in the right, with its loading gate on the right side.

Kahr Arms/

I'm pretty sure Rossi makes lefties to order.

Well, since we aren't allowed to have (and I obviously wouldn't want to have) handguns here, it really makes no difference to me which handed they are. :)

To your list I would add "profile reduction" -- bevelling or rounding surfaces that have a tendency to grab on to things when you draw. Back of the slide, the hammer, the spur, the front site (that's one that gets ignored till they whack it off on a brick wall during a chase and suddenly don't remember how to aim without a front sight.). Obviously, in the field, you have to be able to replace broken parts, so you want to stay standard as possible. They're not going to send your mercury filled recoil reducer in the mail to iraq if you lose one.

But spec ops guys are special. They get to take their OWN sidearms on trips :D And before they go, they load em up with a wide assortment of goofy shit that is basically for pimpin dey gun.j

The old schoolers snarl at them of course, but i always enjoyed talking to both camps.

That last was to UG. Damn you kids and your fast typin. ciggie break, brb.

The photo is simply reversed for the purposes of the graphic designer.

Nah, it's straight. Just has a safety for lefties.

And/or weak-hand firing... just in case your strong hand isn't working, or some crocodile just Steve-Irwinned it, and you without your chainsaw and the Army of Darkness still closing in...

...wonder if Nood has finished his ciggie?

Yeah it was a quick one. cold out there and im in me skivvies.