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richlevy 04-20-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 447130)
Very nice Rich!

I thought so. BTW, I passed along your 'star' comment.

TheMercenary 04-20-2008 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 447133)
I thought so. BTW, I passed along your 'star' comment.

:D

Undertoad 04-22-2008 08:31 AM

Well here we go, Pennsylvania... final polls say I was wrong about a Bama revival. The Real Clear Politics poll average is a 6 point win for Hillary, but big pollster Zogby says undecideds are breaking Hill's way and will give her a double digit win.

How does he know? I like it better when the pollsters get it wrong. It's fun to watch the sport of it.

Shawnee123 04-22-2008 09:04 AM

I'm watching you Pennsylvanians with bated breath, whatever that is!

elSicomoro 04-22-2008 09:23 AM

Clinton by 10 or less...I think it'll be a hollow victory.

Radar 04-22-2008 09:36 AM

Hillary will win PA by around 5 points but this won't help her. She'll still be pressured to drop out.

lookout123 04-22-2008 10:21 AM

They'll have to drag Hill off the stage at the convention in chains with a ballgag in her mouth before she'll step aside.

Riddil 04-23-2008 01:04 AM

It's looking more and more like this thing is going to run all the way to the convention. :-/

Hooray for divisive politics! It's a great time to invest in advertising companies specializing in smear campaigns!

Shawnee123 04-23-2008 07:18 AM

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Ha Ha [/nelsonfromsimpsons]

Urbane Guerrilla 04-24-2008 05:06 PM

Larry says, "Let's ask REALLY tough questions."
 
Larry Elder -- and he's having fun.

classicman 07-30-2008 11:29 AM

President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, July 30, 2008; A03

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Barack Obama has long been his party's presumptive nominee. Now he's becoming its presumptuous president.

Fresh from his presidential-style world tour, during which foreign leaders and American generals lined up to show him affection, Obama settled down to some presidential-style business in Washington yesterday. He ordered up a teleconference with the (current president's) Treasury secretary, granted an audience to the Pakistani prime minister and had his staff arrange for the chairman of the Federal Reserve to give him a briefing. Then, he went up to Capitol Hill to be adored by House Democrats in a presidential-style pep rally.

Along the way, he traveled in a bubble more insulating than the actual president's. Traffic was shut down for him as he zoomed about town in a long, presidential-style motorcade, while the public and most of the press were kept in the dark about his activities, which included a fundraiser at the Mayflower where donors paid $10,000 or more to have photos taken with him. His schedule for the day, announced Monday night, would have made Dick Cheney envious:

11:00 a.m.: En route TBA.

12:05 p.m.: En route TBA.

1:45 p.m.: En route TBA.

2:55 p.m.: En route TBA.

5:20 p.m.: En route TBA.

The 5:20 TBA turned out to be his adoration session with lawmakers in the Cannon Caucus Room, where even committee chairmen arrived early, as if for the State of the Union. Capitol Police cleared the halls -- just as they do for the actual president. The Secret Service hustled him in through a side door -- just as they do for the actual president.
Inside, according to a witness, he told the House members, "This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for," adding: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

classicman 07-30-2008 11:30 AM

Wow - and all this after the trip abroad. This is just great. Its also another reason I think politicians should quit their current job before going after the next one.

TheMercenary 07-30-2008 12:32 PM

The latest making the email chain letter rounds.

I depend on that age old military maxim: The first report is always suspect.

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone". I wanted to share with you what happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram. As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service. So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you. I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country. If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

Shawnee123 07-30-2008 12:38 PM

Ah crap, my boss sent that to me and I immediately found on snopes that he "retracted" that email and had not expected it to be forwarded all over the place, and asked that it not be forwarded or posted.

Anyway, I asked for no more political stuff to be forwarded to me and I'd rather make up my own mind.

TheMercenary 07-30-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 472455)
Ah crap, my boss sent that to me and I immediately found on snopes that he "retracted" that email and had not expected it to be forwarded all over the place, and asked that it not be forwarded or posted.

Anyway, I asked for no more political stuff to be forwarded to me and I'd rather make up my own mind.

Thanks, what I figured.

glatt 07-30-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 472462)
Thanks, what I figured.

Are you going to contact the person who sent it to you and inform them that they are spreading lies?

TheMercenary 07-30-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 472464)
Are you going to contact the person who sent it to you and inform them that they are spreading lies?

Spreading lies? I don't look at most information passed in that manner. People have strong political emotions and I could easily ask those questions about things posted about Bush or Obama or McCain.

FTR I did send them the snopes link.

classicman 07-30-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 472464)
Are you going to contact the person who sent it to you and inform them that they are spreading lies?

I understand this wasn't aimed at me, but its funny - I have told my mother that numerous times and hit "reply all" to her emails refuting the garbage spread. I don't get too many of them from her anymore.

glatt 07-30-2008 03:22 PM

good for you. There is too much ignorance in the world already to be spreading false stuff around.

TheMercenary 07-30-2008 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 472500)
good for you. There is too much ignorance in the world already to be spreading false stuff around.

Oh, and I forgot to mention it came from my wife. Who got it from one of her best friends who is the wife of a WO-5 and one of the most senior WO's in Army Aviation. I am sure she got it from someone else as well. I will just have to make sure the wife passes on the Snopes link when I get off work in another 36 hours.

barefoot serpent 08-08-2008 04:30 PM

I guess we can scratch Edwards off the VP list...

TheMercenary 08-08-2008 06:00 PM

Poor John, I guess the National Enquirer reports actually may have some truth to it. Reports state that the birth certificate of his former Mistress is missing the name for the father. Time will tell.

Clodfobble 08-09-2008 09:24 AM

One of his staffers is claiming to be the father of the baby, and I don't think the mistress is saying it's Edwards' either.

Shawnee123 08-09-2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by barefoot serpent (Post 474973)
I guess we can scratch Edwards off the VP list...

I never thought he had it in him; he always seemed pretty namby-pamby to me.

TheMercenary 08-11-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 475096)
One of his staffers is claiming to be the father of the baby, and I don't think the mistress is saying it's Edwards' either.

People like Edwards are surrounded by others who are willing to fall on a landmine for them. Anyone in that political group has them.

classicman 08-11-2008 09:07 PM

A Clinton aide is bitchin now that she woulda coulda shoulda won if this had come out earlier...

Clodfobble 08-11-2008 10:17 PM

That doesn't even make sense. Why would Edwards' scandal have hurt Obama while helping her?

ZenGum 08-11-2008 11:05 PM

Well, she probably hasn't fathered any love-children....

Griff 08-12-2008 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 475562)
That doesn't even make sense. Why would Edwards' scandal have hurt Obama while helping her?

They both have racist unionist appeal?

classicman 08-12-2008 07:34 AM

He felt that the electoral votes that Edwards won MAY have gone to her. Had that happened...

Ibby 08-12-2008 06:58 PM

Actually, it isn't true though. for example...

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Rasmussen. 1/31. Likely voters. MOE 4% (last poll taken by anyone with Edwards in the mix)

Clinton 47
Obama 38
Edwards 11

Actual results:

Obama 49.3
Clinton 47.1
Edwards 1.7

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two of the last Iowa polls before the caucuses.

Mason-Dixon for McClatchy-MSNBC. 12/26-28, 2007. MoE 5%

"As you may know, if a candidate fails to get at least 15% at a precinct caucus their supporters can switch and choose to caucus with those backing other candidates or declare themselves uncommitted. If the candidate you are supporting fails to reach the 15% threshold at your precinct ... Which candidate would become your second choice?""

Edwards 32
Obama 20
Clinton 16

Opinion Research Corp for CNN. 12/26-30, 2007. MoE 5%

"If the presidential caucus in Iowa were held today, please tell me which of the following people ... would be your second choice?"

Edwards 36
Obama 25
Clinton 11
(www.dailykos.com)

classicman 08-12-2008 09:58 PM

I wouldn't believe dailykos if they told me today was Tuesday - sorry.

But again - the Clinton aide was the one whining - not me. I'm glad she lost.

TheMercenary 08-16-2008 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 475789)
I wouldn't believe dailykos if they told me today was Tuesday - sorry.

But again - the Clinton aide was the one whining - not me. I'm glad she lost.

Second.

deadbeater 08-16-2008 04:56 PM

Yeah, if Mark Penn had his way, the Clintons would all but make Blacks start a new third party and run them out of Harlem. Good thing the Clintons adjusted in midstream, and make it on this side of a halfway decent primary fight. What a schmuck Penn was. If the Republicans had operatives in the Democatic party, they would do no better than Penn.

Griff 08-18-2008 08:31 AM

[cynic] Apparently Obama and McCain got together at one of those mega-churches where people go to be anonymous before God. That probably isn't fair but for someone raised in rural community churches it just looks like spiritual fast food. People in large single minded groups where the individual submits to group will make me nervous whether they're Cub Scouts, metal heads, Christians or [godwin]Nazis[/godwin]. The ever creepy neo-com William Kristol did manage to tease out a difference between McCain and Obama on the question of confronting evil. From my reading of it McCain will follow the Bush plan of feeding evil by commiting disproportionate evil and Obama won't really say. For a while I was feeling good that Bush would leave and things would improve, but these guys weaken the positive vibrations.[/cynic]

Pico and ME 08-18-2008 09:07 AM

The only 'Evil' the US confronts are the 'evil-doers' who are in the way of what the US wants. The government paints it with the 'We are the Do-Gooders' brush stroke to make its actions more palatable to its voting public. I wish I could hear one of them, one day, say that our oil chasing days are over and we all better start tightening our seat belts because energy independence is going to start out as a really rough ride.

TheMercenary 08-18-2008 10:03 PM

Well sorry but we are not "chasing oil". I have no idea where you go that idea from but if you could provide us with some non-partisan original source links to that notion I would love to read them. We all certainly know that neither China nor India are chasing any oil reserves in any nefarious capacity.

xoxoxoBruce 08-19-2008 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 476926)
Well sorry but we are not "chasing oil".

Can you prove that? How about if you could provide us with some non-partisan original source links to that notion, I would love to read them. :p

Ibby 08-19-2008 05:22 AM

What about the part where, McCain says that making 4500000 dollars a year, yes, 4.5 million a year, is middle class?

Talking about what it means to be rich, what is middle class and what is upper class:

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McCain took a far more discursive approach to answering the question but ultimately settled on a dramatically higher figure: "I think if you're just talking about income, how about $5 million?"

xoxoxoBruce 08-19-2008 12:15 PM

When I heard an Obama ad, touting his plans to benefit the "middle class", I was wondering how he defined "middle class"?
Most people say, I ain't poor and I ain't rich, so I must be middle class. It's a wonderful term that don't mean shit. :rolleyes:

TheMercenary 08-23-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 477042)
When I heard an Obama ad, touting his plans to benefit the "middle class", I was wondering how he defined "middle class"?
Most people say, I ain't poor and I ain't rich, so I must be middle class. It's a wonderful term that don't mean shit. :rolleyes:

I am still waiting for someone to define rich.

HungLikeJesus 08-23-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 477744)
I am still waiting for someone to define rich.

Too much chocolate.

xoxoxoBruce 08-23-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 477744)
I am still waiting for someone to define rich.

Mrs Levy, seems to have done that. ;)

Ibby 08-27-2008 07:26 AM

Quote:

"You're a financial planner and you want to invest my retirement savings in scratch tickets?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a plumber and you're going to fix my clog with a stick of dynamite?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a firefighter and you're going to put out the flames with gasoline?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a jeweler and you're going to fix my Rolex with a hammer?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You’re a nuclear physicist and you're giving out 'free samples' of enriched uranium to children?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a surgeon and you're using a rusty hacksaw?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You’re the Republican candidate for president and you want to fix the country's problems even though you don’t know much about the economy, you don’t know how to use the internet, you don’t know how many houses you own or what kind of car you drive, you admit you don’t think clearly when you’re tired, you make frequent gaffes on foreign policy, you think offshore drilling is a short-term solution to high gas prices, you support torture and keeping the Guantanamo prison open, you make rash decisions and statements from which you have to quickly backtrack, you have an explosive temper on a hair trigger, your idea of health care reform is 'wear more sunscreen,' you're for stem cell research except when it's done on stem cells because you consider them all American citizens, and you voted to support the policies of the worst president ever 100 percent of the time this year?"
"Trust me, my friends. I was a POW."


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