Oh, and another thing...
 

The funny thing about all this brainwashing is that EVERYBODY knows about it and EVERYBODY is talking about it. So...who is brainwashed???

Do you think that you have discovered a secret conspiracy that nobody else knows about? Because, really, how plausible is that?

50% of US citizens are brainwashed to think far right, and 50% to think far left. We all know that the other side must be brainwashed to think the way they do. :rolleyes:

The biggest person who thinks all us Americans are brainwashed is obviously brainwashed to think that way by the radical liberal left of Canada.

They elected a conservative president. Proves they must be brainwashed.

Heh....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...r-achtung.html

I like that link Merc. A LOT Somehow I am not surprised.



This one by contrast is funny.
:D


The Wikileaks founder has handed his own head to us on a platter, says Milo Yiannopoulos.

More here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-mistake.html

I LOVE IT! Hopefully someone will in the end, cut the head off the snake. I would drink to that.;)

He should have remembered;He should have known,that money is at the root of all evil. (power) I guess his roots have been yanked. Now, he'll have to stand on the side of the road with a billboard.

just out of curiosity has anyone considered that perhaps this guy uncovered a bunch of bullshit and now the government is now coming down on his ass? been there bought the t-shirt. just asking......

Rather, if you use Sweden for its liberal laws on secrecy you are not going to be able to avoid its liberal laws on what constitutes rape.

YEAH, yes sir-e. He's a mess.


If he gets out on bail then he goes straight to the Swedish authorities? I am not clear on that.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/08/in...s-london-jail/

Questions answered here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11949771

From Sky's link above:

This is the nub of the matter:

:D

Ha! Brilliant!

BBC News
Wikileaks' Julian Assange to stay at Norfolk house

Can someone bail me out of my parents' house so I can stay there too?
No incredibly subtle biting satire intended - I'd just like a break in a 10 bedroomed house in Norfolk to watch the snow come down.

A charming English cottage would do. The rates per week seem reasonable.

(If you're not paying tax and utilities maybe...)

I'll tell you what Sky - you rent a cottage any time you like, and I'll be your free driver, housekeeper and tourguide.
Well, when I say anytime, that will mean outside of term-time fairly quickly.
Get in soon for a real bargain!

Come now and we might even give you some snow :)
Ah soddit - come next week and have Christmas right here. We're not charming - at least our house isn't - but we're definitely English.
I've checked the freezer - we have enought to feed at least ten people. Twenty your size!

It looks drafty and cold there.

geez, I will take you up on that during my retirement years. Except, you'll be married with babies by then and I'll be an old lady. I promise. I won't be a biddie or wear attends. I just need a tour guide lively enough to keep both of us entertained. You'll do.

It can't be any draftier than where I live.

Maybe we can get the CIA to send in a Drone Strike.....

A drone strike on SG? :eek6: Because you didn't get a piece of the cake?

:lol: yea, sure, that was it.... "Let them eat cake"

More good news...

Bank of America Suspends Payments to WikiLeaks

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/bu...9bank.html?hpw

WikiLeaks needs to target B of A anyway so action was just a matter of time. I'm not keen on the wholesale dumping of information but WikiLeaks does have a positive role to play in our increasingly closed corporate and government cultures.

I would say that there is value which may be gained from whistleblowers in closed corporate and government circles when it does not deal with stolen and classified data being dumped wholesale onto the world stage. Wikileaks is a criminal organization and should be treated as a form of internet terrorists.

I would suggest that way too much content is classified as shown by the hum drum nature of the bulk of the leaks.

I would agree. But it is not the job of the these criminals to make such determinations. Often the most innocuous bits of information pieced together gives the clear picture. By leaving out various bits your enemy can never get a clear picture about what you know or what you think. This is not the role of some fools who think they know better. So we are stuck with what we have at this point. If we need to make changes from this point forward, so be it. We can make changes.

I just realized Assange looks like Neil Patrick Harris. I keep expecting him to say: these leaks, they will be LEGEND....wait for it...ARY.

Most of our enemies are make believe, so leaving those who invent enemies in charge of classification is problematic.

Could you explain that in a little more detail? I would be interested to know what you think along those lines. Are you saying that there are not nation states that would like to see the US brought to it's knees economically, through the stealing of industrial secrets, via various forms of state sponsored terrorism, or in the numerous other ways of undermining our society at large for what ever perceived reason? I am curious.

Ummm.... I've never seen the two of them in the same place or picture.

I think you meant LEGER....wait for it...DEMAIN

:p:

Clever. :)

Sure, IMHO countries like Iran and North Korea would love to break the US but lack the ability to project power in any serious way and can be contained diplomatically. The threat of radical Islam is enhanced by our lack of openness and our willingness to compromise values when dealing with Middle-Eastern regimes. China could be a real economic threat but those pirates have lashed their ship to ours so we'll go down together.

Well how about the Persians? The elements of radical Islam includes non-nation state actors such as AQ. That does not include Iran, and it's proxy groups like Hezbollah, and the other nation states such as Pakistan and their explicit support, via the ISI, for tribes in Afghanistan. You think we should give these states more information about our intelligence or access to our diplomatic cables?

. . . right up to the day they get the bomb. After that who knows?

The threat of exposed cables is problematic but could lead to rhetoric matching action in international relations allowing the US to lead by example instead of despite example. Had WikiLeaks been in place back in the yellowcake time-frame we could have avoided supplying manpower to AQ for the last several years. What to do with Saddam would continue to be an issue but we would have had to deal with it honestly and openly.

I see "honestly and openly" as differing categories of diplomatic national policy. You can deal with nations honestly but you don't need to share every single bit of information with them to do it. There is a lot of information that people just don't need to know IMHO.

On a lighter note:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...a-banned-sicko

According to the Sicko filmmaker, Michael Moore, that "ban" story was made up by American diplomats.

Not banned

I learned a new word today: tendentious

My God, Wikileaks lies... Michael Moore could never be tendentious.

This is the only Wikileaks cable that is false. They made it up because they wanted even secret channels to discredit Sicko.

Just leak something. No, I'm not into golden showers.

Meanwhile, the US would "openly and honestly" share information with all East European nations after each meeting with the USSR. The Russians never bothered to tell their 'allies' what happened. After all, those East European nations did not need to know. Your same logic.

Therefore the US built major trust with every East European nation. It even made ending the cold war so much easier. And why relations between those nations and the US are stronger today.

Wikileaks has simply changed the dynamics. For all that damage, it has also created new honest and open relationships. No more decisions based upon second guessing. As for things they do not need to know, even Wikileaks redacted that stuff. Wikileaks is not the disaster some would promote. They did not leak the sensitive stuff.

BTW, some Americans have become popular with their foreign governments. How those cables were written has also entertained their foreign peers. Created a new respect.

According to some, Wikileaks is showering everyone with the dirt.

The #1 enemy of the American people, is their own government.
Whether the closed minded, ignorant, proud American's are aware of this yet, or not.

So far Wikileaks is suggesting the opposite; I read an opinion piece today that pointed out that the leaks are so far telling the world that the US Gov is doing pretty much exactly what it says it has. Other than the rendition business, most of the world's conspiracy theories about what's "really" going on with the US have not been proven out by any leaks.

sarcasm
 

It is kind of ironic that our evil empire of a government gives people the right of free speech. Even though our evil empire of a goverment doesn't want their non secrets out, they will not be able to press charges against wiki-leaks because of our evil government's long history of giving freedom to the press. Mr. Ass is really challenging that liberty, not because he has some high moral reason, no, he just is a wanker.

Look. Our evil government allows websites to publish links to the cables. They can respond to them and in this case make fun of them.

http://gawker.com/5700705/all-the-ho...atest-wikileak

The sky is not falling. The American government is embarrassed but not broken. There really isn't anything newsworthy in them, except for that UT mentioned. It isn't that the American government hiding something, it is that they were PRIVATE. Like Mr. ASS bets he would like to keep his rape charges private.

There are many countries with blasphemy laws. That means talking out against one's own government in any manner. There are personal and civil liberties denied in many countries, but this isn't one of them.

It wouldn't be so bad if an American leaked the papers, but it really pisses me off to have non American's bashing Americans.

Why don't people take an interest in those countries that curtail and punish people who dare to take issue or have their civil liberties limited. I mean
wtf!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom...ech_by_country

Wikileaks was not required for an observer to be aware of this fact.

We keep waiting for the Pentagon Papers here but all we get are Pentagon Post-Its.

Right, almost as bad as Pompous Canadians.

As I said before, I hold no ego to hurt, no pride in race, country or species.

Right, above mere earthlings.

:thumb:

If I were him I would make something up to defend his nauseating movies as well.

Now this is rich. Assange is complaining because someone is leaking information about him. :lol:

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/12/2...investigation/

Wikileaks is covering cables as old as 1979, so...