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Wow! Very well said, A.
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Ibram, the difficulty is not in calling someone a she if they want to be called a she, it's with remembering the changes from year to year. I humbly suggest you make a new user name if you want people to think of you as someone different than you used to be. Heck, sometimes it's a good idea to do that just to separate yourself from your younger self.
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So everyone should make an attempt to understand you and where you're coming from (I'm afraid to use the 'wrong' words) but you have no problem judging and chastising someone like JBK...why?
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Trantrums!
Ibs, you know who doesn't give two shits about "educating" people about gender issues? Post-ops. I've been close friends with one, friends with two others and acquaintances with two more. Once they're women, they're women and all the gender politics is no longer interesting. It's dropped, permanently. Oh and. Please consider never again using the word "worldview". Just say "view", unless you want to be the most blowhardy blowhard ever. |
Ib, don't take these responses personally, in fact, just say your piece and then leave their responses alone.
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Take the pill of chill dude...I barely said anything. But I will now, and I don't care if you think it's overly meanie weanie of me: you get offended over shit even as people are trying to understand what you are saying. You'll be happy to know I read about every other word in this previous post, because WTF. JBK has admitted to schizophrenia. You've admitted to being transgendered or whatever word I'm allowed to use. People bend over backwards to understand your position. But you got all pissy with JBK for no reason...why, because you don't 'get' schizophrenia? Well, I don't 'get' whatever it is you're hoping to accomplish, but I've kept my mouth shut. JBK isn't the issue. You are. You're on a fast track to crazy town, is what you are. So put your big girl panties on, take a deeeeeep breath, and lay off the booze for a while. kthx |
So we have male, female, and transgendered? What about me???
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:rolleyes: concise enough for you? |
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I'm sorry Ibram. I meant no offense. I'll leave this thread alone now.
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You have as much right to be in this thread as Ibram. You make me laugh. |
Sorry for starting this shitstorm, and I'm really sorry if it makes Ibram feel less at home here. I guess I just had a really crap day myself yesterday, and some comments made here just seemed so trivial in comparison to some other stuff going on in my own life.
Sheldon, I think you're a funny man and I'm sorry for making you feel less comfortable too. Anyway, I'm not saying I don't believe what I posted, just that under normal circumstances, I wouldn't have bothered saying anything because there'd be no point and definitely no positive outcome, and clearly that's the case here. Once again, sorry to the community. |
Ali, you offered your opinion.
Ibs disagreed with it, but again you have every right to discussion. This is a new area for me, and a tricky one. But although Ibby is obviously unhappy with your posts, you do not owe the Cellar an apology as a whole. Ibrica has an agenda and yes she should feel free to pursue it. I think it shows her connection to the Cellar that she comes here and is vocal. I don't get much of it myself, Ibs. I don't understand, I am looking for logic and I am trying to follow your lead in what is acceptible for you. By sharing you are helping to educate and elucidate. But the Cellar is the Cellar and people have a right to question and to joke. Now someone turn this thread back into a picture thread or you'll get a photo of my new coldsores. Yes, I have a crop this time, as I am in the throes of another cold. One of the wonderful reasons to work with children... |
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*snickers*
On the way home I saw a semi...company named TransX. The tagline was "We take a load off your mind." ;) Too soon? |
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well it made me LOL INFI! :lol:
I have no prejudice against anyone for anything, but I'll be dammed if I have to walk on eggshells because some people are not comfortable enough in their own skin to have a funny bone. I have a RFN photo. I suck at taking my own photo and I just wanted to capture the fabulous color I got my hair today. :) Attachment 37146 |
Girl, that hair is the fab! So shiny. :)
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Fabulous? Yes, that works quite well. ;)
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lovely nirvana!!! btw, what category do you fall in?
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Oh! Oh that is a gorgeous colour!
@ Ibs: I know you want to educate us and that's probably a good thing overall. Most of us are older than you and maybe a little stuck in our own ways. As a young person it's partly your job to re-educate us oldies. But... Be aware there is a price sometimes. When you take offence, or pick up on a jest, it can rebound and end up hurting the person you're trying to educate. Instead of just raising awareness of a rather complex and new issue, you risk making yourself difficult to interact with. As Nirvana says, walking on eggshells. Chin up chika. It ain't so bad. You can't change the world overnight. And people live in a world of binary definitions. Choose your battles. There will be plenty of them to come. |
I have a couple of trans* friends in rl. One of whom I met through my work as a councillor, as they were campaigning for better treatment in the NHS.
I am aware of many of the issues. That said: different members of the trans* community have different opinions and attitudes to things like the use of the words 'he' and 'she' for instance. There are those who would not have found Shel's jest the least offensive and those that would. Though I have some experience of engaging with trans* issues, I am not well up on them. I forget about little things that a trans* person will pick up on and I won't notice. There are also members of the trans* community who bring an older set of cultural references and would probably wind Ibs up no end by not getting half of what she says, despite them living it themselves. |
Sorry, I deleted my post. Didn't mean to make it look dopey. lol I knew I should have been quicker.
Anyway, I just feel that there are a lot more things I want to say, but sometimes there's not much point because sometimes what you're saying falls on deaf ears simply because the person you're talking to doesn't have enough life experience to put what you're saying into a similar framework of understanding. That's what I feel the difference is between Ibram's thoughts and mine. I think sometimes youth forgets that age understands a lot more than youth thinks and isn't as old and thoughtless as perhaps youth would like to believe. eta: Let me put it this way. You (Dana) suggested ibram should choose his battles. I believe the same. I think he has a choice about being offended by what people say. He can choose to get huffy about things, or he can simply recognise that his understanding is not the same as the other persons understanding and leave it at that. I'd understand if someone said something horrible to him and he felt the need to arc up, but I don't see the benefit of doing it every time, especially considering the fact that it's fairly clear that Ibram has a long way to go on this path of discovery and I doubt that even he is sure where he fits, so why should he have the right to get cranky or offended if someone else doesn't either. Anyway, I'm probably just hormonal. I'm going to just leave this thread now. BTW, I like the hair colour Nirvana! |
I edited my post a bit :p
Yeah. I agree with what you say really. I seem to recall having a similar view about older people :p |
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It has been a good reminder about how prickly politicized college kids get once they know everyone elses mind. We all wish Ibram well but we can't change her beliefs about us.
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I would rather laugh with Sheldon than argue with Ibs.
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Beautiful Nirvana.
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@ibs
My understanding is that you're a middle of the road kind of guy. Which, in my limited experience, doesn't call for a shift in pronouns. So, if you're going to object to Sheldon as binarist, why did you also object to Lola's use of the 'he' pronoun? Isn't that binarist too? Your life and lifestyle are plenty complicated. There's no need to get snippy if we don't have it all down yet. And the classy response to an unwanted advance is to either ignore it or to say "thanks, but no thanks." This is true no matter where you fit on the gender bar. |
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Tart ;p
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That's how you pulled me :)
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Ibram/Erica, I hope you do not seriously mean what you wrote there. If so, even if you feel that way sometimes, I sincerely hope you don't waste one more breath on such a notion. It is obvious that Sheldon's language, or any other person's language does not erase your identity. I pray that you merely misspoke. Such a situation as you describe, when it occurs in earnest, truly only reveals the speaker's ignorance and blindness, knowing or otherwise. Please do continue to fight the good fight as you see it. Live right, speak out, and loudly. Persist and persuade. But don't let something like another person's words or attitudes or actions have much room in your consciousness, much less in your reality. A remark like this may make you *feel* as though you may be erased **TO THEM**, but that is not your problem, it is their problem. |
I personally don't give a fuck if you are a male, female, or whatever. I care more about what type of person you are.
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Me too, Sarge!
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Me this afternoon, having lunch with the mater.
With evidence of the Colsore Apolcalypse I went through last week. |
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Walked over to the old Pension Building at lunch. Some of the corners of the place were completely deserted. Maybe I should move in.
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omg...what IS that building? I love the doors, and the big mirror reminds me of the one in the old hotel here.
I wanted to move into the old hotel, too. Even when the walls were crumbling and dead pigeons were everywhere. I wanted the corner room with the high ceiling and the rounded corner windows. :) |
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It's a building the government didn't have any use for, so they let the National Building Museum use it to house (boring and expensive) exhibits. It's also used for events all the time. They were setting up for one today. You can just wander around the parts that don't have exhibits in them. You have to pay for those. And there's a really cool museum store there.
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Love that building! I remember having a great time sketching there with my studio class, back in college.
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Oh! I've been there! We were visiting a friend in DC, and we went there to see an exhibit on building materials. They had a sample of that concrete that lets light through, it was featured in an IoTD once. But overall the exhibit seemed kind of low-quality--there was one writeup that referred to Thomas Jefferson as being like one of today's "early adapters" of technology, and we told some woman working there that they meant "early adopter," but she just nodded and looked like she couldn't care less. We were kind of confused why such a small and awkward exhibit would be in that giant, nice building. But we did enjoy our lunch in the little cafe.
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I saw that exhibit with the translucent concrete. I think it's probably the coolest thing they have ever had in that museum. It was free then, but now you would have to pay $8 to see that exhibit. You can wander around the building for free though.
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Translucent concrete? What will they think of next, opaque glass, malleable iron, hard rubber?
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I remember at the time thinking that it wasn't remotely practical. |
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Architects design 65-storey building which plunges 300 metres below ground A glass floor covers the massive 240m x 240m hole in the city's main square to filter in natural light from the world above. |
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Here's a pic of me getting an award from the mayor tonight at the Board meeting.
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Looking good Sarge. Did you lose weight?
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Congrats, sarge! What was it for?
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My weight changes so much based upon fluid retention. I guess I had just pee'd alot today. The award was a National Guard Bureau support recognition. No biggie, but I don't think ya'll have ever seeen me in my real cop uniform since I mainly wear polos & khakis (class B uniform).
I hope it doesn't make too many of the women on here swoon. I'm especially worried about IM |
You should be more worried about ducksnuts if she happens to pop in. :D
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You look lovely Sarge!
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Very smart Sarge, looking good there.
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