Spread out! More space for you and the pups. Remark the territory, your territory. I think a bit of that depression deserves at least a smidge of rage, (this crap can be too contained, too civil- which is hard, and like it needs to be harder...) allow yourself unfiltered ventilation in the privacy of your own home, it can help. And you are moving on my friend.:)

Yeah, I have to go pee in various corners to make them mine.

Extra space for dog toys and DoDads or messes of you choice.:)

Online personals (or those you would find in City Paper)--caveat emptor. My success with them was alright, but there's nothing like just meeting that person accidentally.

See, you should start off slow. Slow in this case means picking up a college cutie. I see us hanging out in University City or on South Street in the near future.

After you get that out of your system, then you get that fine, mature, successful, in-need-of-sex thirtysomething. :D

Seriously though, you still need to take care of you first. Get yourself accustomed to having the house to yourself. Get some jobs lined up. Keep working on the diet. THEN worry about the ladies.

Syc's a lot smarter than he looks.;)

I never even picked up any of those cute college chix when I was IN college!

I could understand the attraction to a jowly paunchy 39-year-old if I was their professor and in charge of their grades, but uh...

<b> With those girls , it's all about what you can give them. Got any smoke?</b> :D

Or so I heard......from a friend.

Happy Holidays! :D

I can't believe I'm saying this, but slang has a point there, Sheppsie.

There is a certain segment of younger females out there that dig older guys. They think of men their age as "immature." They want a smart sophisticated man to show 'em the ropes. Get yourself a couple of solid jobs, get a little cash flowing, and you're in.

Then you meet a nice co-ed, a few dates, maybe a couple of inexpensive meaningless gifts, and then...wang! Bang! Sweet poontang!

And after a little while, you'll tire of her relative immaturity, and/or she'll tire of you being "old." Then you drop her like a bad habit and get on with finding Miss Right.

It's damned near foolproof...unless you meet a nutjob. But then you have Wolf to take care of that...

Back to reality...

Whatever you do, don't go just looking for women. But DO look for opportunities where you might meet them.

In truth, I have never ever operated anywhere near that way, and I don't see the benefit in it.

If I just wanted to get laid, I think would hire a professional. I believe it would be cheaper, and higher in quality.

But I don't just want to get laid.

I've never operated that way myself either. And I know you're not just looking for sex, hence the last line of my previous post.

(And besides, we could have easily gotten you some bomb-ass pussy down in AC.)

Ok, this is more specifically what I'm talking about. This strategy was developed with the help of BroSlang.

My little bro was hanging out on campus one night with some dumb c*nt that was totally using him. He was putting up with the BS she dished out happily, which is totally not like him. "What the fuck are you doing" I asked him. "Getting a foothold into the StuckUpFineBitches sorority" he told me. "Shes a StuckUpFineBitch, thats the only reason I'm hanging with her. She knows that and so do I"

After a coupla weeks when he'd been around this c*nt's friends he was indeed in. She was a bitch but many of her friends were not. And they were all easy on the eyes.

This is as old as it gets but it still works for guys and gals. Find one that wants to hang with you as an "in". You dont have to spend tons of money, just make her happy for a while. She prolly burns through a bunch of guys. If shes just using you, you'll know it. Thats OK. You just want to be known in a given cliche so that you can compete without being some nameless possible axemurderer.

Famous BroSlang quote: You might think I'm an ass, but one of your friends is gonna <i>love</i> hangin with me baby.

Given that I know many of the local professionals (in the sense of MY profession not theirs), I'd recommend against that option.

Quote:

But I don't just want to get laid.

From a female perspective, I'll issue a hearty "Good for you" on that statement.

Don't, however, let yourself fall into the trap of becoming a martyr to your divorce (This may be primarily a female trait, but it can happen to guys too).

I'm sure he could find some high-class hooker and get a pretty good time out of it for just a few hundred bucks.

The problem is that this is inexplicably illegal and he might get busted.

When I'm president (Dave Ham 2016 - Take America Back!), I'll pardon everyone that's convicted on prostitution charges, pressure prosecutors to drop cases against those charged and champion legislation that makes it legal.

Vote Ham!

I have recently been made aware that there is a huge internet subculture of reviews of high-priced escorts, in which one could actually determine how they are at their job and what to expect and so forth.

These sites are for-pay, but you could get an idea of what they're doing from the samples. I didn't pay but I went to one of their banner advertisers. I browsed a few pages of sites of escort agencies that made it clear this is something that law enforcement just has no interest in pursuing. I mean christ, there were practically price lists on some of these sites.

I don't have that sort of semi-desperate need of human contact, but I think I understand it in those who do. And there is something honest about it. I do think if I went four or five years without, I would eventually pay the money and take my chances.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Heh, I wonder if anyone has done a study comparing the relative safety of "escorts" vs. picking up random chics that just want to get laid in bars?

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wait a minute... Isn't Syc running for pres. as well? Or is Syc running in '08 and therefore out of office by '16? What the hell, I'll vote for one of you bastards regardless...

Sycamore has no chance of ever getting elected because he is too liberal. My plan is to get on the Republican ticket but court liberal voters. A true "compassionate conservative".

I'd go, "what's the sense in making prostitution illegal when it's costing us money instead of making us a boatload in taxes?" Republicans would go "Damn, that's a good point." Bible thumpers would secretly breathe a sigh of relief, and the liberals would herald me as a champion of human rights. (As Carlin puts it - Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?)

Then I'd work real hard to legalize marijuana, because even though I think drugs are a <b>bad</b> thing, I think the war on drugs is <b>worse</b>. What a waste of money and it doesn't even work. We're throwing money away. Hurrah! Thanks, NR. Real winner that one was.

Anyway, that's why I'm getting out all this asshole-ish-ness when I'm young - so I can be calm and collected later on, 'cause I'm gonna need it if I hope to make a dent in these huge roadblocks.

Dave, I'd vote for you at the drop of a hat. Shit, I'd pay real money just to see you in a political debate.

"In this afternoon's heated presidential debate, Mr. David Ham had this to say, as he levelled a finger at his cowering opponent: 'This pathetic smear upon he universe, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when God has to work on deadlines.'"

Reuters (c) 2016

Where can I get a "Vote Ham!" button?

And a running mate named Eggs.;)

Obviously I would need to keep that to a minimum.

I believe most people have good intentions. For instance, gun control activists have <b>good intentions</b> (fewer dead people). They're just extremely mislead when it comes to achieving their goal, and they've been essentially brainwashed to the point of not ceding an inch, even when presented with facts that are contrary to their incorrect opinion. It's an amazing thing to see.

I couldn't run in '08 if I wanted to...I'll only be 33.

I have no intention of running for political office...I don't think many folks would like my stances. Though I disagree with Dave's assertion, which I'll rebut shortly.

Maybe in 2003, yeah. But the country shifts often enough that I would just have to find the right time to slip in there.

The same with you...no way you'd get elected right now with your current stances. But if people continue to become more socially liberal, you have a good shot in 13 years.

That stance would probably win you Democrats and liberals, but I don't know if you could ever get that past Republicans. You'd wind up causing a conundrum a la the state sodomy laws, and we don't even need to discuss the Bible-thumpers.

First name "Eggs". Last name: "Ackley".

..running as Green Party candidates.:angel:

2016? Hell I'll be dead by then. But I'll vote today!:)

TOAD!


She's out, I assume? how is single life? sittin around scratchin yourself? farting whenever, wherever? leaving that toiliet seat up at will? Strutting about fantastically in your boxers? enjoy it, but don't wallow for too long!

hope you are feelin good!

From what UT has said to me over the past week, he sounds like he's doing well. I'll be over at his house Sunday to witness the destruction first-hand. :)

Thanks lj. She moved out 6 days ago. I'm finding it's absolutely fine, because she spent so little time with me and spent so little love on me, that I have low expectations for it in my life. This makes it easy to get on from day to day.

And this is my house now!

Unless I can't keep it, which I am slowly coming to realize won't happen just by hustling and getting more business. There is not enough business to be got. I am going to look for other work.

Today I submitted a resume at ITT Tech. It would be a fine way to make enough money, teaching Linux and networking and such.

No Sheppsie! Nonononono! Say it ain't so Toad! A real job? What the fuck?!

If you want to do a little networking, the ITEC trade show is coming to Valley Forge Convention Center Nov 12-13. You can get a free exhibits pass by following the instructions below:

REGISTER TODAY and qualify for a Free Philadelphia ITEC Exhibits Pass (a $50 value), courtesy of AITP – Philadelphia Chapter. Click on the registration link and enter Priority Code PHLITP: http://www.goitec.com/reg/phl1/.

Well, if you manage to get their attention, please point out my resume to them (I've submitted it to them and they kinda ignored it).

I'd love to teach Java; maybe now that I have my SCJP they might belive I could do it.

Resume link:

http://voicenet.com/~maggie/mslresume.html

Might as well put everything in one thread...

Yesterday the other shoe fell for Sharon: her Tucson boyfriend dropped her. He won't be visiting, won't be moving up in December, seems to have decided he prefers minimum wage on the ranch. She fell apart and drove here directly from work in the middle of the day to cry at me. (She said I should start another thread to mock and laugh at her. This is not what this post is.)

I listened patiently as she wailed about what a loser she felt like for being dropped before her divorce was even done. I told her I was a really poor support system in this particular case. I thought about how anyone else would kick her the fuck out. Then I told her she was a beautiful person with a lot to offer to prospective guys, and that she should stay positive, etc.

So, two conclusions: one, I'm completely "over" her, in that I care about what happens to her but it doesn't affect me personally or emotionally. Two, Sharon has little concept how relationships work, and she will probably have a tough time of it for a while.

I woke up to news that my best job opportunity dried up, and I have great concern for my own situation... but none for hers. We will both go through trying times, of different types, before we find what we're looking for. And apparently that's how life works.

want me to teach you how to sell cars?

This isn't the typical diolog I would have imagined from a couple in process of divorce. That's good though.

On the lighter side, I could prolly get you in at the plant.

That really sucks. Without a man to tell her she's great, how will she know she's great?

Perhaps she isn't as rehabilitated as you originally claimed.

Thanks for the job notions guys but I think even with the best training, I would be the very worst car salesman ever, setting new record lows for sales. (On the other hand if you have an online division I would be the best ever. Hmm.)

toad, you may be the biggest person i've ever virtually met. In your shoes, I think I would have done a touchdown dance, and bounced her right out the door.

either that or you're a really good liar who is inwardly spiking the ball over the goal post!

I' think I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though, considering the high regard these fine folks you have accumulated seem hold you in.

unless......they're all a bunch of really good liars too, and are inwardly resentful of the power you hold over them and are just shining you on..........

nee neee nee neee nee neee nee neee......(twilight zone music)

:eek: :confused:

Originally posted by Undertoad
So lemme see if I get this. She sticks a knife between your shoulderblades and leaves you for dead, THEN, when her sorry ass life blows up in her face, she comes to you, tries to pull the knife out of your back so you can better focus on her problems only to discover that its already out (thankyouvurymuch) and healing nicely then she asks you to take the knife out of HER BACK!

:angry: GOOD GAWD ALLMIGHTY!!! :vomit:

I'm real sorry bud, but that is the most pathetic fucking thing I have EVER head of.

BUT, on the bright side, your life is looking up (minor setbacks and challenges notwithstanding) and hers... well who fucking cares about hers (I realize you do but you are a better man than I).

Peace, prosperity and happiness await those with a kind spirit and a wary eye.

I don't think it's quite like that, Beestie.

BWHAHAHAHAHA.........*snif*



STILL LMAO.

Originally posted by dave
I guess I should just stay out of it then.

The post from which I pulled UT's quote sure hit a hot button with me - I've seen it so many times and its so Fing unfair. I have tried to keep up with this thread but it appears, then, that I missed something. :confused:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Actually Beestie, I can see your reasoning. However, speaking as a non-Philly cellarite I've picked up info in different threads. For instance, the ex in this case was involved in planning the surprise party. Obviously both are trying to stay on good terms.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I think she took the "still friends" idea to far here. Juju maybe right in that she's not as 'rehabilitated' as she claimed. Doesn't matter though, the fit has already hit the shan. Ut's getting in better shape, mentally and physically, all the time. He's ready to move on.

Continued good wishes and strength to you, Toad, my man.

Not unlike ThisOleMiss' son, Sharon made her choices and now has to deal with the consequences.

There are plenty of other fish in the virtual dating sea. Eventually she will learn to discriminate between the real and the unreal.

The nuthouse isn't looking for anyone in IT right now (although we could desperately use someone competent. I do NOT trust any MIS guys who don't own a home computer. It's unnatural.) but if you are of a mind to try nutwrangling, do let me know.

it's just a matter of interpretation. it could be seen to be like that from these posts.....however, toad wouldn't be with karen if she didn't have any redeeming qualities....looks like there will still be friendship and respect after the divorce (A.D.)

still, i was pissed off the first time i read about it too, beestie. and i'd just like you all to know that im over it now, and feel good about the seperation. ok? ok.
- im such a dick *chuckle*

First of all Beestie, nothing ever stated that life should be "fair". Fair is just a word. The idea behind it is nice and all, but it can't be made to apply to life. Life just isn't fair. And thinking about it as "unfair" isn't productive. You need to grab the world by the balls and make it yours.

I understand, too, that it sounds shitty. But look at it another way, Sharon doesn't have the Cellar for support. Tony is probably the person that knows her best, and I'm sure that deep down, she loves him. From the whole birthday thing (I was there), I could tell that she, at the very least, cares deeply about him. And because I know Tony, I know that he cares about her. They might not be romantically compatible or ideal soulmates, but they are two people who have spent a lot of their lives together and relationships like that don't die easy. There will always be some feelings there.

Sharon went to someone she knows and trusts for comfort. It's an awkward situation for sure (I had an ex girlfriend call me up and start crying because things weren't working out and she missed me - that was definitely kinda weird). Sharon is a person that's trying to do what's right for her while keeping Tony in consideration. She's done for him a hell of a lot better than a lot of people would do for their ex's, and there's something to be said for that.

Is Sharon doing the right thing? Under the circumstances and in my personal opinion, she probably is. She's not perfect, but she's giving Tony a chance to find "the one" while she goes off and pursues the same, and she isn't being a huge bitch about it.

If I've learned one thing from this whole thread and talking to Tony (and watching them interact at the birthday get-together), it's that Sharon is a good person trying hard to do the right thing, even though it hurts someone else.

(Tony's still my main man, though. I don't mean to play "Devil's Advocate". Just trying to make my opinion clear.)

The Tone, what do you think - am I on the mark? Am I off?

It might be OK for a certain type of person.. sort of the "I futz with computers all day at work, don't let me near one after I get home." On certain days I can imagine myself like this--I mean, for years I was probably the only Webmaster* in captivity who didn't have a personal web page. I probably wouldn't now if it weren't for the need to supply pics of the kids to my parents on a semi-regular basis. (UT has explained why in the classic Pet Web Page/Rock quote.)

But you're right, in most cases it would be evidence of derangement.

*This was my actual title. I'm not particularly fond of the term.

Dave, you've nailed it.

From my point of view as a middle aged woman who has witnessed several women friends leave their relationships searching for more...This is a good thing for her. Its been strange to hear about UT's thing, and its all around me here.

Maybe its the sexual surge at 40, or maybe its just the crossroads, you feel its not right and you want to make the most of it. Life is too short. Not knowing Sharon, but knowing other women in similar situations, this big life change is thrilling and terrifying. The guy isnt why she left. The guy was a safety and gave her courage. Now shes got to work without a net. I think, scared as she is to go solo, she will be so much the better, stronger, and in the long run, happier for it.

But UT was the net for so many years. He was home and that's a hard reflex to change. I am sure it is incredibly hard to leave that.

As an outsider, not really knowing either of you in real life, I totally agree.

The majority of the "happily married" couples in my family dont have the kind of consideration for one another I witnessed at the party.

Cheers to both of you.

Sounds about right from the people I have seen breakup.

And having known the two of them (not so much in recent years) it makes sense that they both still care about each other -- maybe I'm a romantic but I believe that people often fall into a love that they never fall out of even if they do learn that they just can't live with each other anymore.

As someone said earlier, this may be the best that either of them can do and, given the circumstances, it's a hell of a lot better than many people I have seen who literally end up at each others' throats.

Be proud of yourself, UT!

God, this is all so touching. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I feel like I should keep coming here just in case anthing horrible ever happens and I desperately need friends. People really CAN be nice! :)

Damn straight. :thumb: