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Pico and ME

01-19-2013 05:53 PM

So is claiming that 88.8% of the USA's population owns guns and that number is what is reducing crime in America compared to Great Britain. So is not owning up to the different ways the governments in both countries report crime. If Grav's site source has its base statistic wrong, how can anything else it is saying have any real merit?

Pete Zicato

01-19-2013 06:35 PM

Quote:

In the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm (6).

From here:
http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/20...eapon-updated/

Yes. The years of measurement are different, but I think the numbers tell the story.

orthodoc

01-19-2013 07:13 PM

My point was that in the article quoted, the author was dishonest in taking statistics and pulling data out of them in order to change the results to what he wanted. I didn't comment on anything else.

I don't care what the politics of an author are; I do care whether the numbers are honestly reported and correct. I realize that both sides manipulate numbers, but I was only commenting on the article at hand. This author was dishonest. Admittedly, he was upfront about his dishonesty.

Pico and ME

01-19-2013 08:45 PM

Otho, i'm sorry, I wasnt really responding to you, I was just piggybacking off your post so that I could add my two cents about Grav's previous post.

:p:

orthodoc

01-19-2013 09:04 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to be testy ... I normally stay out of this thread. :)

footfootfoot

01-19-2013 09:52 PM

If anyone is really interested they can go to CDC's website and look up stats for deaths by all causes.

toranokaze

01-23-2013 12:31 AM

If guns are the issue themselves why are the streets of Canada not running red with blood as the streets of the US are ?

xoxoxoBruce

01-23-2013 02:28 AM

That would be liquid littering which is rude and un-Canadian. :haha:

Spexxvet

01-23-2013 08:37 AM

If violent movies and video games are the issue themselves why are the streets of Canada not running red with blood as the streets of the US are ?

ZenGum

01-24-2013 06:42 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8463957.html

Quote:

Figures out next month are expected to confirm the long-term decline in gun crime which resulted in 39 people shot dead in 2011/12 compared with a high of 96 ten years earlier.

SNIP

But improved intelligence-led operations, poor quality guns and munitions, better community links to divert gang activity, and improved surgery for gunshot victims have all contributed to reduced deaths from gun violence, according to experts and police.

A comparative shortage of guns in circulation has triggered a price spike in the underworld firearms market, according to detectives.