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morethanpretty 09-27-2006 02:08 AM
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Next I tried Planned Parenthood. None of them were open. Not one. Every Planned Parenthood in Ohio was either closed on Saturday or would be closed before I could drive the 100 miles to them.

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EC, also known as emergency birth control, has been available for more than 30 years. It contains hormones found in birth control pills and must be started within 120 hours after unprotected intercourse.

From the Planned Parenthood website.

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Folks, the condom broke Friday night and I searched all weekend for someone who could prescribe me EC. It is now Monday and I have to report that I have been unable to find anyone who will write me a fucking prescription for EC.

If she had sex around 8PM Friday and didn't go to planned parenthood until 6PM on Mon...thats only 70hrs...well within the 120hr limit.

morethanpretty 09-27-2006 02:09 AM
BTW how do you do the quote thing...I couldn't figure it out...maybe because I've been up for a really really long time...?

wolf 09-27-2006 07:20 AM
All the interesting fiddly bits.

Sundae 09-27-2006 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by morethanpretty
If she had sex around 8PM Friday and didn't go to planned parenthood until 6PM on Mon...thats only 70hrs...well within the 120hr limit.
The longer you leave it the less effective it is. It's not 100% failsafe, which is why you are asked to make a note of the date you take it and return in two weeks if you have not had a bleed.

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer
At the core, I hate the idea of abortion and contraception used so that people can light up their pleasure centers with reckless abandon, but I honestly hate to see it denied to those who use it properly just as much. My trouble is, the university crowd falls squarly within catagory #1 and that's where I live, so my bias gets pretty big.
Just checking that I have this right before I respond to it, you hate the idea that contraception allows people to have sex for pleasure?

rkzenrage 09-27-2006 08:18 AM
Yup... that's what anals for you nut!

glatt 09-27-2006 09:38 AM
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Just checking that I have this right before I respond to it, you hate the idea that contraception allows people to have sex for pleasure?
I kinda picked up on that one too. He did qualify it by saying "with reckless abandon," so I think it's promiscuity (however you define that) that he's against. It's true that the more partners you have, the more likely it is that you will be spreading some STDs, so he does have a point.

I'd be interested to hear what he has to say. I'm personally very fond of contraception.

Sundae 09-27-2006 09:58 AM
I'm pretty fond of it myself - contraception that is.
I also don't have a problem with promiscuity, although it's not my personal lifestyle choice.

I say if people want to sleep around, let them. Making sure they're not breeding at the same time? Great idea. But then I'd be for putting a 3 year contraceptive implant in all 15 year old girls, so I appreciate I'm the opposite end of the scale.

9th Engineer 09-27-2006 02:23 PM
yeah, saying I'm against sex for pleasure is oversimplification to the point of killing the message. I don't have time for a full clarification now but I'll see if I can explain in a little while. In the mean time I'll say again that I used the term pleasure center to try to express what I mean. Think of the mice that will starve themselves so that they can keep pressing the button. I wouldn't equate it exactly with self destructive behavior in pursuit of pleasure, but since the safe guard isn't always there, danger can come from getting so used to not having to use common sense that you get burned eventually. Dang, that's not as good as I hoped but it'll have to do for now...

xoxoxoBruce 09-27-2006 10:05 PM
Uh huh, so you're not getting any, right?
Channeling that energy into success? :neutral:

morethanpretty 09-28-2006 12:43 PM
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The longer you leave it the less effective it is. It's not 100% failsafe, which is why you are asked to make a note of the date you take it and return in two weeks if you have not had a bleed.
Yes, but my point is that she went in on mon. the pill would still have a chance to be effective. I don't believe anything is 100% failsafe, even if the condom hadn't broke, she still had a chance of getting pregnant. Condoms aren't 100% effective against diseases either. There are pores in every substance, and the HIV virus is actually smaller than the pores in a latex condom.

Sundae 09-28-2006 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Yes, but my point is that she went in on mon. the pill would still have a chance to be effective. I don't believe anything is 100% failsafe... snip
I do get your point, I was just pointing out that being unable to obtain EHC would have greatly increased the risk of the pill being ineffective. Like using an out of date condom, say. In this country the pills are classified as effective up to 72 hours, but it is recognised that the first 24 hours is the most critical (another reason the drug is not considered an abortificant).

Shawnee123 09-28-2006 01:19 PM
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While it may not seem like that big off a deal it hinged on a gut reaction I picked up from my parents. Both my parents work(ed) in emergency medicine, so they had to learn to 'read through' patients to get as much information as they could. The ER does bad things to people, the doctors see people at their worst when they are under huge stresses, and as a result patients tend to lie, tell half-truths, and be extremely vauge. I've grown up hearing all the stories of this and now when I hear one I'm very skeptical of everything else you say. "My body decided it was fed up", is one of these, it gives no infomation but the patient will of course expect the doctor to know what in hell they're talking about. I'm not a doctor (I pray I'll never have to do clinical practice) so I'm not claiming this based on first person experience, but I grew up around it.
I'm still trying to figure out why having PARENTS working in emergency medicine (Doctors? Nurses? Janitors? Insurance Agents? Attorneys? What?) makes you qualified to have any reaction, let alone a judgmental one. Your expertise in the area sounds purely anectodotal. My father drove heavy construction equipment, but I'm not jumping on a giant steam shovel anytime soon.

Oh, and dismissing a woman's assertations of negative effects of hormonal based medication, something you know nothing about and never will, sounds to me like part of the intricate roots from where misogyny continues to grow.

Elspode 09-28-2006 03:34 PM
Typical hysterical female reaction... Get them shoes off and those legs open, woman! :rolleyes:

Trilby 09-28-2006 03:45 PM
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... Get them shoes off and those legs open, woman! :rolleyes:
Well...okay. but it better be worth it.

Trilby 09-28-2006 03:49 PM
It's obvious that the whole thing smacks of gender discrimination. If men got preggers you can bet your sweet syrupy pancakes that on-demand birth control would be OTC and de-rigeur. So would immediate epidurals and heroin for menstrual cramps.

I've noticed many male docs who poo-poo'ed a woman's pain in labor but fell all over themselves to Rx the IV morphine for epididymitis.


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