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TheMercenary 03-25-2007 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 326310)
I've never seen it spelt that way. I have only seen it spelt 'Siobhan'.

Mercenary, I see your point and I suppose it's a fair one. But....that suggests that the onus of responsibility is on the ethnic population to change who they are, rather than on society (and employers) to stop being racist.

I think it is unfair to ask any ethnic group to change who they are. Than is an impossible and unrealistic expectation IMHO. I would suggest that assimilation and opportunity for future generations is hindered by a desire to exclaim ethnicity through names that few can pronounce and open an individual to an unfair situation. I blame parents. You will never stop society from being racist, that is another pipe dream IMHO. This will never be a utopian society.

Aliantha 03-25-2007 05:51 PM

People should name their children whatever the hell they want. For christs sake, it's a fucking name.

It's a parents responsibility to teach a child how to deal with biggots and racists if they happen to have a child with coloured skin or if they choose to give their child a non white name.

I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation.

As to African people having 'white names', I don't suppose anyone thinks they got those names because of missionary influences in their native country? I seriously doubt a tribal woman from africa gave birth and said, "I think I'll name my son John" out of the blue.

Names are names. They say something about who you are and where you come from. Keep your name and your heritage and stand your ground! If everyone just caves in to the biggots of society nothing will ever change.

Trilby 03-25-2007 06:35 PM

I think everyone should name their children what ever the hell they want to, too.

Just don't get pissed off when a non-native speaker has trouble with it.


My name is not 'usual' for these parts--neither my first nor my last. I don't get my panties in an uproar when people around here don't 'get' my name. I don't except them to 'get' it. It's a difficult name and I am more than happy to spell and sound it out for them.

If you want to give your child a unique or ethnic name, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Aliantha 03-25-2007 06:38 PM

Exactly. My oldest son has an ordinary sounding name, but the spelling is different because it's the letters of my Nana's name changed to make a boys name. He was named for her, but I couldn't really call my son Edna. The only people I get pissed off at for spelling it incorrectly are close family members who know that he's named for our Nana.

Trilby 03-25-2007 06:39 PM

PS--

many of our devoted dwellars simply love a good panty uproar no matter what the reason--I don't judge.


I simply let wedgies be wedgies. I suppose, to some people, a wedgie feels gooooooooood.

TheMercenary 03-25-2007 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 326329)
People should name their children whatever the hell they want. For christs sake, it's a fucking name.

It's a parents responsibility to teach a child how to deal with biggots and racists if they happen to have a child with coloured skin or if they choose to give their child a non white name.

I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation.

As to African people having 'white names', I don't suppose anyone thinks they got those names because of missionary influences in their native country? I seriously doubt a tribal woman from africa gave birth and said, "I think I'll name my son John" out of the blue.

Names are names. They say something about who you are and where you come from. Keep your name and your heritage and stand your ground! If everyone just caves in to the biggots of society nothing will ever change.

Go for it. I say let them have at it. But don't be surprised by the consequences.

Aliantha 03-25-2007 07:10 PM

Who's surprised?

Spexxvet 03-25-2007 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 326337)
...
My name is not 'usual' for these parts--neither my first nor my last. I don't get my panties in an uproar when people around here don't 'get' my name. I don't except them to 'get' it. It's a difficult name and I am more than happy to spell and sound it out for them.

If you want to give your child a unique or ethnic name, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Do your job applications get trashed because of your name?

Spexxvet 03-25-2007 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 326022)
The point I was making was that by using ethnic names parents are setting their children up for future discrimination by those who File 13 anyone that they don't wish to hire based on skin color.

At least you admit that discrimination exists. Perhaps AA protects these folks from having their applications trashed.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 326022)
... I don't have a low opinion of "black people", but I do have a low opinion of anyone who thinks they deserve a handout because of the color of their skin...

Do you have a low opinion of people who don't want suffer discrimination?

TheMercenary 03-25-2007 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 326357)
Do you have a low opinion of people who don't want suffer discrimination?

No. And I do not support Affirmative Action. Merit based promotions only.

Spexxvet 03-25-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 326367)
No. And I do not support Affirmative Action. Merit based promotions only.

And yet you admit that it doesn't happen that way. Hmmm...

TheMercenary 03-25-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 326372)
And yet you admit that it doesn't happen that way. Hmmm...

Well of course I admit. Afirmative Action is alive and well in some few remaining places. There are however, a number of places doing away with it and in my opinon, it is long over due for a death.

Aliantha 03-25-2007 08:32 PM

I'd give up if I were you Spex. ;)

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2007 08:33 PM

The AA hiring system doesn't bother me near as much as what happens inside the company in the name of cultural diversity. Most medium to large companies already know what your job is and exactly how they want you to perform it. Cultural diversity is a sham, a show, because they don't really want diversity but conformity. :rolleyes:

TheMercenary 03-25-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 326394)
I'd give up if I were you Spex. ;)

Good idea, you should quit while I'm ahead.:handball::D


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