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TheMercenary 05-30-2007 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 348654)
The human beings who are being murdered.
If you kill someone for any reason other than immediate self-defense, it is murder.
You can dehumanize them all you want, but murdering innocents is not cost effective.
Once it becomes clear it has happened your state will be liable and should have to pay the family of the murdered victim millions because assholes supported state-sanctioned murder because they wanted to feel powerful and cool and for NO OTHER REASON.
Punished implies you are teaching them something, if one is murdered, they have learned nothing... your bulb is petty dim these days.
Dim is better than off IMHO. "Murder" as you would call it is your opinion. Nothing more.

Punishment is the death penalty. It is not "murder". It is not to set an example. It is the ultimate form of punishment. Capital Punishment.

rkzenrage 05-30-2007 01:34 PM
You go ahead with your murderous ranting... done with you. You just want to see people killed and could care less who they are.

TheMercenary 05-30-2007 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 348694)
You go ahead with your murderous ranting... done with you. You just want to see people killed and could care less who they are.
(double post)

TheMercenary 05-30-2007 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 348694)
You go ahead with your murderous ranting... done with you. You just want to see people killed and could care less who they are.
More opinion. And you are welcome to it. As I am mine.:rolleyes:

Shawnee123 05-30-2007 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 348671)
Punishment is the death penalty. It is not "murder". It is not to set an example. It is the ultimate form of punishment. Capital Punishment.
Seems to me you're putting them out of their misery. Let's see, endure years of being butt-fucked in the mouth, or get a shot so you can drift peacefully away?

Totally callous joke, but there are those who would say death is not a punishment.

nitro1364 05-30-2007 03:07 PM
we could solve this with a 30 cent bullet

piercehawkeye45 05-30-2007 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 347873)
Does it really make that much difference to them to be in maximum security?
What about the ones that say, "Yeah, I did it and would rather die then be locked up. Would you honor their wishes?
You could slip them a razor and then later wonder where it came from....

xoxoxoBruce 05-30-2007 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 348628)
Are you familiar with the term Cognitive Dissonance?
Yes, but that's your problem.

Everyone executed has been proven guilty by the legal system. Saying the legal system can't be 100% perfect does not mean the must be executing innocent people. If they are in your state then do something about it. I'm comfortable with mine.

piercehawkeye45 05-30-2007 07:55 PM
Bruce is right, it just says there will be a chance that you will execute an innocent person, not that you will. We probably wouldn't know if we executed an innocent person anyways.

I am against captial punishment because I don't see the need of killing someone. Let them perform community service and manuel labor for the rest of their lives, it will at least be useful.

TheMercenary 05-30-2007 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 348872)
Bruce is right, it just says there will be a chance that you will execute an innocent person, not that you will. We probably wouldn't know if we executed an innocent person anyways.

I am against captial punishment because I don't see the need of killing someone. Let them perform community service and manuel labor for the rest of their lives, it will at least be useful.
Nice comfy thought but I don't think I want guys on death row doing community service.

Flint 05-30-2007 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 348859)
Everyone executed has been proven guilty by the legal system.
Saying the legal system can't be 100% perfect does not mean the must be executing innocent people.
Oh, Bruce. The possibility exists that an innocent person could be executed. Point-Blank Question: Do you agree? Yes or No?

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Originally Posted by Bruce
If they are in your state then do something about it. I'm comfortable with mine.
Going on the offensive, huh? Nice.

piercehawkeye45 05-30-2007 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 348873)
Nice comfy thought but I don't think I want guys on death row doing community service.
Well, certain community servicies.

I was thinking more on the lines of cleaning up communities and making it look nicer, writing books for kids, making music, and giving speeches at schools to help avoid the path that they took. The personal community service is obviously off-limits.

Flint 05-30-2007 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 348872)
Bruce is right, it just says there will be a chance that you will execute an innocent person, not that you will.
We probably wouldn't know if we executed an innocent person anyways.
You don't have to tell me "Bruce is right" - he just repeated what I've been saying that all along.

The fact that we wouldn't specifically know an innocent person was executed doesn't mean it couldn't happen, or render it "okay" via anonymity.

piercehawkeye45 05-30-2007 08:07 PM
I skipped through the middle part because it looked like you were going over the same thing.

I thought you said that it was inevitable that we would kill an innocent person and I disagreed with that. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

TheMercenary 05-30-2007 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 348879)
Well, certain community servicies.

I was thinking more on the lines of cleaning up communities and making it look nicer, writing books for kids, making music, and giving speeches at schools to help avoid the path that they took. The personal community service is obviously off-limits.
Yea, John Wayne Gracy writing kids books, that would be a hit... :D


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