Hillary's plan failed because of paranoid MEN who were freakin' on a woman who had GOOD IDEAS and didn't immediately get down on her knees to suck cock. That's what those good ol' boys are used to women doing. You don't talk with that mouth, baby, you SUCK ME with it!

It's truly sickening. Where is Dana when I need that beeyotch?

I disagree. I don't have a problem with health care providers being motivated by $$. Emergency services are available for all regardless of ability to pay, and I'm cool with that. I see no long term success in turning over our entire medical system to the government though.

I think this is from a overall political hang over from 8 years of Bush and 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Regan/Bush and 16 years of McCain knocking on the door. Clinton and McCain are more of the same ole same ole politics as usual inside The Beltway. Obama has none of that hang over stink. New, young, fresh, sure few can verbalize what they like about him, but they know they don't want Hitlery and McCain is like that old jar of mustard you have had for 6 months on your refrig door. People want something new. Obama is new. JMHO.

If we did it would fail. The American public wants 1) a quick fix 2) everything for free 3) cover all illness and treatments 4) don't want to wait for care. None of those things would happen in an attempt to cover 100% of American health care.

At this point, I don't have a real problem with any of the 3 real candidates left being president, though I prefer Obama.

I think Hillary would make a fine president. But if she were elected, it would be like having Dubya in there, only with an edge to the left instead of the right. Some people just hate her, similar to the current president.

McCain...I dunno. Again, I think he would make a fine president. But he's old, he has a temper, the Dems wouldn't really want him and neither would the GOP.

I try to look at candidates based on what they're presenting to me and what I think they might do (given who they are and what party they stand for). I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about Obama's detailed stances. I looked at some of them last week and generally agreed with them...and that works for me. I think I know where McCain stands as well as Hillary. Some folks are already complaining about "the cult of Obama," but the guy is doing something right...I haven't seen this kind of energy for a candidate since...Bill Clinton. (Maybe a little for Howard Dean, but he shot himself in the foot early).

I'm not naive. If Obama is elected, he'll get muddled down at least some by the culture of Washington. But I'm willing to give him a chance to try something different.

I predict that if Obama does win and eventually become president, he'll be assasinated.

Rhoda used to fear electing a black president because of that very concern.

Someone mentioned to me a few days ago that the KKK is the fastest growing 'club' in the world.

I haven't researched it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

As a black person in power, that would have to be frightening if it's true though.

So what you are saying is pay attention to whom he chooses to be VP.:3eye:

Well, no I wasn't saying that, but it'd probably be an idea.

If VP is Clinton, there will be those who will say she was in on it.

So, Aliantha, will you assassinate him?

No, I think he'll make a great president for you guys. I'd definitely vote for him over Hillary if I had the choice.

I suspect it'll be someone who doesn't like him. ;)

The FBI is visiting UT's house as I type this.

Heh, now there's a reason to vote Dem! :lol2: :lol2:

If the discussion continues to be misogynists versus racists the Dems have a good chance of alienating the electorate and screwing up what should have been an easy win.

The Hillary dynamic is interesting. NPR interviewed a bunch of boomer women at a rally. I forget what was said that implied she wasn't getting a fair shake because she's a women, but the other thing they leaned on was how because she's a women she understands and represents them. Pete says she doesn't speak to her as a post boomer. The things the older boomer women fought for have been largely won but older boomers are reluctant to heal the wounds, which is necessary to consolidate the victory. If they keep opening the wounds they feed the conservative backlash. To me Sen. Clinton represents conflict.

Obama may speak to me because he's about my age and has seen the cartoon conflicts over serious principles from a tail boomer perspective. He is left of me on much domestic policy, but he's generally been on the money foreign policy wise. He acts like someone who understands the opposition and would make sensible compromises. I don't buy the inexperience line because I think experienced politicians are one of the biggest problems for our system.