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TheMercenary 09-08-2011 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 755275)
Well, name me a single politician who doesn't share all these characteristics - from either side of the aisle. And your rants will sound less shrill if you use the correct numbers. 800 billion is almost twice 450 billion. Neither of which sums is going to bring the US down.

Plus, what's all this garbage about cliques and name calling? People get so down on Politics because everyone here is perceived as being mean. So then people post here for no other reason except to call each other names? Maybe we should have a forum just devoted to bratty behavior.

Can I be part of your clique, Classic? You know - confusion to our enemies and all that? :eek:
The point is that spending us into further debt is NOT the solution. You can't continue to run up the credit cards! These Damm fools obviously have not gotten the message, hopefully they will get it in the next election....:cool:

Aliantha 09-08-2011 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 755273)

God I wish we could do that....
In some ways it can be good, but it can leave the public feeling a bit ripped off. After all, they didn't really vote for the person who overthrew the leader.

Pico and ME 09-08-2011 09:59 PM
Merc, it seems like there is always a reason to run up the credit card. With the last administration it was the two-front war, this administration it was continuing the bailout and stimulus started by the previous administration to save the economy and the war. You are putting much too much onus on Obama, and when you do that you lose creditably for your argument. ESPECIALLY considering the concessions Obama has made.

classicman 09-08-2011 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 755275)
Can I be part of your clique, Classic? You know - confusion to our enemies and all that? :eek:
If two makes a clique - sure. maybe we can have a secret handshake or something. :cool:

TheMercenary 09-08-2011 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 755281)
Merc, it seems like there is always a reason to run up the credit card.
True. 9/11 must have been a non-event for you.

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With the last administration it was the two-front war,
Iraq was and remains a completely questionable edevor in my mind. Don't expect me to whole heartedly support it. Afgan was the game and we took our eye off the ball IMHO.

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.... this administration it was continuing the bailout and stimulus started by the previous administration to save the economy and the war.
Sooner or later you liberals have to stop blaming Bush. This is and was a Demoncratic operation, they controlled Congress when he took office and continued to control office til 2010. They control the purse strings, they own it....

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You are putting much too much onus on Obama,
No, you are giving him a pass... He is a complete and utter failure...

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and when you do that you lose creditably for your argument. ESPECIALLY considering the concessions Obama has made.
Your assessment of me is insignificant and carries no weight. This is not about me. It is about the failures of Obama and the Congress. I could give a fuck what you think about my credibility, this is about Obama's credibility, not mine. He failed.

classicman 09-08-2011 10:09 PM
Fuck you Merc.

Lamplighter 09-08-2011 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 755267)
<snip> Here's a question from a dumb aussie.
If the dems think Obama isn't going to win in 2012, can they put someone else forward instead?
I don't quite get the whole structure of US politics in that way.

Over here in the westminister style of parliament we use, if a party loses faith in the leader,
they can basically vote him/her out and stick him on the back bench and put someone else in charge.
Recent history says the US can't handle intra-party challenges
to an incumbent President... or 3rd party candidates.
The last time we had such a situation was when LB Johnson announced
he would not run for a 2nd term (due to Viet Nam War).

The result was chaos...

Robert Kennedy was assassinated,
Chicago had a police riot,
Cities across the country had race riots,
Hubert Humphrey became the Dem's nominee,
Ross Perow tried a 3rd party end run,

Nixon was elected, and we all know how that worked out !

'course, back then Merc was just a child, so it might be different now ;)

TheMercenary 09-08-2011 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 755288)
'course, back then Merc was just a child, so it might be different now ;)
True dat... and thank God black people and women can vote now.... :D

TheMercenary 09-08-2011 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 755286)
Fuck you Merc.
:thumb:

classicman 09-08-2011 10:22 PM
Hiya Lamp - Missed you.

TheMercenary 09-08-2011 10:23 PM
This football game beats anything Obamy spouted off tonight!

BigV 09-08-2011 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 755288)
Recent history says the US can't handle intra-party challenges
to an incumbent President... or 3rd party candidates.
The last time we had such a situation was when LB Johnson announced
he would not run for a 2nd term (due to Viet Nam War).

The result was chaos...

Robert Kennedy was assassinated,
Chicago had a police riot,
Cities across the country had race riots,
Hubert Humphrey became the Dem's nominee,
Ross Perow tried a 3rd party end run,

Nixon was elected, and we all know how that worked out !

'course, back then Merc was just a child, so it might be different now ;)
what do you mean "back then"?

Aliantha 09-08-2011 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 755298)
Hiya Lamp - Missed you.
I second this. Where have you been Lamp?

SamIam 09-09-2011 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 755286)
Fuck you Merc.
Yeah, fuck you Merc.

Me and my clique agree on that, anyhow. ;)

classicman 09-09-2011 12:07 AM
Shuddup and get to work on that handshake.


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